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How did the government threaten the NFL? How can the government threaten a company for disrespecting the flag? Burning the flag is actually legal. It’s frowned upon, but it’s legal under federal case law. The federal government can’t stop a company from letting its employees protest against the government. It’s the company itself who can decide whether that is appropriate corporate policy.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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That’s not a threat.

A threat would be something like “Set a rule that you can’t kneel during our National Anthem or else.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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The only way out for them

Can possibly be viewed as a threat.

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But it’s not. The only way out to where?
The only way out of this mess? That’s not a threat.

Again, a threat would include “or else.” As in some (either vague or specific) governmental action would be exacted against the NFL. “The only way out” does not suggest any action other than Trump continuing to tweet at them.

The only way “the only way out” could be a threat would be if the NFL was already threatened and there was “the only way out” to prevent continuation of the current threat.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

TM2YC said:

TV’s Frink said:

https://deadspin.com/the-nfl-quietly-changed-its-obscure-rule-about-standing-1819300660

What could encapsulate the spirit of “Land of the free and home of the brave” better than a rule that forces citizens to behave EXACTLY the way that the powers-that-be tell them to, with any slight deviation from excepted norms being be met with summary punishment.

It’s not a law that the government has mandated against citizens.

I never said it was. I was talking about the policy not being in the spirit of what the anthem is about… however, in practice, the chief representative of the government openly threatening the NFL is much the same thing as a government mandate.

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TM2YC said:

chyron8472 said:

TM2YC said:

TV’s Frink said:

https://deadspin.com/the-nfl-quietly-changed-its-obscure-rule-about-standing-1819300660

What could encapsulate the spirit of “Land of the free and home of the brave” better than a rule that forces citizens to behave EXACTLY the way that the powers-that-be tell them to, with any slight deviation from excepted norms being be met with summary punishment.

It’s not a law that the government has mandated against citizens.

I never said it was. I was talking about the policy not being in the spirit of what the anthem is about.

chyron was not referring to you. He was referring to NeverarGreat.

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Trump’s tweets are so hard to decipher that you can make a reasonable argument about any of them being a threat.

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yhwx said:

TM2YC said:

chyron8472 said:

TM2YC said:

TV’s Frink said:

https://deadspin.com/the-nfl-quietly-changed-its-obscure-rule-about-standing-1819300660

What could encapsulate the spirit of “Land of the free and home of the brave” better than a rule that forces citizens to behave EXACTLY the way that the powers-that-be tell them to, with any slight deviation from excepted norms being be met with summary punishment.

It’s not a law that the government has mandated against citizens.

I never said it was. I was talking about the policy not being in the spirit of what the anthem is about.

chyron was not referring to you. He was referring to NeverarGreat.

By quoting me and posting it before NeverarGreat had made his post? FAKE NEWS!

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TM2YC said:

yhwx said:

TM2YC said:

chyron8472 said:

TM2YC said:

TV’s Frink said:

https://deadspin.com/the-nfl-quietly-changed-its-obscure-rule-about-standing-1819300660

What could encapsulate the spirit of “Land of the free and home of the brave” better than a rule that forces citizens to behave EXACTLY the way that the powers-that-be tell them to, with any slight deviation from excepted norms being be met with summary punishment.

It’s not a law that the government has mandated against citizens.

I never said it was. I was talking about the policy not being in the spirit of what the anthem is about.

chyron was not referring to you. He was referring to NeverarGreat.

By quoting me and posting it before NeverarGreat had made his post? FAKE NEWS!

Yeah, I was actually responding to his post about it being BS in the context of your post. But I didn’t quote both posts because yours had the relevant context of the conversation.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

But it’s not. The only way out to where?
The only way out of this mess? That’s not a threat.

Again, a threat would include “or else.” As in some (either vague or specific) governmental action would be exacted against the NFL. “The only way out” does not suggest any action other than Trump continuing to tweet at them.

The only way “the only way out” could be a threat would be if the NFL was already threatened and there was “the only way out” to prevent continuation of the current threat.

Trumpy already has his minions chanting boycott NFL. You don’t think the team owners are afraid for their wallets?

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I was referring to this, actually: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/10/us/politics/trump-nfl-jemele-hill.html

"WASHINGTON — President Trump threatened on Tuesday to use federal tax law to penalize the National Football League over players who kneel in protest during the national anthem, but the White House later backed off, saying he was only making a point.

Escalating a political fight that has resonated with his conservative base, Mr. Trump said Congress should eliminate a law that allowed the N.F.L. central office to avoid paying taxes as a nonprofit entity. “Why is the NFL getting massive tax breaks while at the same time disrespecting our Anthem, Flag and Country?” he wrote on Twitter. “Change tax law!”"

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TV’s Frink said:

I don’t know if “redundant” is the right term. I just thought that it was funny he posted “I’m going to do something” followed immediately by “I just did the thing I said I was going to do.”

That is because in between those two posts, I did the something I said was going to do.

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Warbler said:

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I don’t know if “redundant” is the right term. I just thought that it was funny he posted “I’m going to do something” followed immediately by “I just did the thing I said I was going to do.”

That is because in between those two posts, I did the something I said was going to do.

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TV’s Frink said:

Trump’s tweets are so hard to decipher that you can make a reasonable argument about any of them being a threat.

Hopefully, an attempt by Trump to use government power to stop the anthem protesters would be overruled by the US Supreme Court.

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TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

I don’t know if “redundant” is the right term. I just thought that it was funny he posted “I’m going to do something” followed immediately by “I just did the thing I said I was going to do.”

That is because in between those two posts, I did the something I said was going to do.

*sigh*

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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

I don’t know if “redundant” is the right term. I just thought that it was funny he posted “I’m going to do something” followed immediately by “I just did the thing I said I was going to do.”

That is because in between those two posts, I did the something I said was going to do.

*sigh*

He’s not wrong.

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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

I don’t know if “redundant” is the right term. I just thought that it was funny he posted “I’m going to do something” followed immediately by “I just did the thing I said I was going to do.”

That is because in between those two posts, I did the something I said was going to do.

*sigh*

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Ha! If a president could actually do that, Ford would have shut down NBC over SNL making him out to be a super klutz.

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Trump truly is a master of projection.

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SilverWook said:

chyron8472 said:

But it’s not. The only way out to where?
The only way out of this mess? That’s not a threat.

Again, a threat would include “or else.” As in some (either vague or specific) governmental action would be exacted against the NFL. “The only way out” does not suggest any action other than Trump continuing to tweet at them.

The only way “the only way out” could be a threat would be if the NFL was already threatened and there was “the only way out” to prevent continuation of the current threat.

Trumpy already has his minions chanting boycott NFL. You don’t think the team owners are afraid for their wallets?

I don’t know, but that’s not the same thing. If the NFL thought they would lose money by allowing it to continue and therefore changed their policy, that’s not the same as threat of action by the government to suppress freedom of expression.

Besides that, Trump is an idiot. He can make an empty threat (as he actually does seem to have done, given NeverarGreat’s recent post) but that doesn’t mean the government actually has the legal standing to back it up. If the federal government actually went after the NFL’s non-profit status (which I didn’t know they had), in response to the NFL franchise employees protesting the government, I’m pretty sure the NFL could countersue over it.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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If it has a chilling effect, he doesn’t have to back it up.

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