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Sorry Sean, you don’t get to be rehabilitated until you’re testifying against Trump under oath.

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https://www.citizensforethics.org/mar-a-lago/

As part of a lawsuit for the release of President Trump’s visitor logs, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), the National Security Archive and the Knight First Amendment Institute were today scheduled to receive the visitor logs for President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort for the dates 1/20/17-3/8/17. Instead, the government turned over a list of 22 names from the Japanese Prime Minister’s trip. They can be accessed at the links below.

The lawsuit for the release of the White House visitor logs remains ongoing. In 2009, the Obama administration settled four lawsuits from CREW by agreeing to regularly release the White House visitor logs.

CREW Executive Director Noah Bookbinder issued the following statement:

“After waiting months for a response to our request for comprehensive visitor logs from the President’s multiple visits to Mar-a-Lago and having the government ask for a last minute extension, today we received 22 names from the Japanese Prime Minister’s visit to Mar-a-Lago and nothing else. The government does not believe that they need to release any further Mar-a-Lago visitor records. We vehemently disagree. The government seriously misrepresented their intentions to both us and the court. This was spitting in the eye of transparency. We will be fighting this in court.”

What the hell is Trump trying to hide?

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Our President trying to hide something‽‽‽ This has to be a mistake.

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Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Warbler said:

As for a change in the Anthem, Jerusalem was mentioned, the only problem I see with that is that it is named after a city that is not in the UK. Jerusalem is in Israel. That is like America using an Anthem named “Paris”. It seems odd to me.

‘Jerusalem’ the poem (set to music) isn’t literally about the actual city of Jerusalem, it’s about England.

In fact it’s specifically about Jerusalem not being in England 😄 It’s a warning about not being complacent and too nationalistic and it’s sung frequently by people who are complacently nationalistic.

"The poem was inspired by the apocryphal story that a young Jesus, accompanied by Joseph of Arimathea, a tin merchant, travelled to what is now England and visited Glastonbury during his unknown years.[2][3] The poem’s theme is linked to the Book of Revelation (3:12 and 21:2) describing a Second Coming, wherein Jesus establishes a New Jerusalem. The Christian church in general, and the English Church in particular, has long used Jerusalem as a metaphor for Heaven, a place of universal love and peace.[a]

In the most common interpretation of the poem, Blake implies that a visit by Jesus would briefly create heaven in England, in contrast to the “dark Satanic Mills” of the Industrial Revolution. Blake’s poem asks four questions rather than asserting the historical truth of Christ’s visit. Thus the poem merely implies that there may, or may not, have been a divine visit, when there was briefly heaven in England"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_did_those_feet_in_ancient_time

The poem clearly asks if Jesus walked in England. The answer being no. The point being that England is not particularly worthy of regard and has to strive to be worthy of a holy visitation. It is frequently sung by people who don’t get this really simple message.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_did_those_feet_in_ancient_time

Blake’s poem

And did those feet in ancient time,
Walk upon England’s mountains green:
And was the holy Lamb of God,
On Englands pleasant pastures seen!

And did the Countenance Divine,
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here,
Among these dark Satanic Mills?

Bring me my Bow of burning gold;
Bring me my Arrows of desire:
Bring me my Spear: O clouds unfold!
Bring me my Chariot of fire!

I will not cease from Mental Fight,
Nor shall my Sword sleep in my hand:
Till we have built Jerusalem,
In England’s green & pleasant Land.

Okay, that clearly is not about the literal city of Jerusalem itself.

I don’t see why this is controversial.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Warbler said:

As for a change in the Anthem, Jerusalem was mentioned, the only problem I see with that is that it is named after a city that is not in the UK. Jerusalem is in Israel. That is like America using an Anthem named “Paris”. It seems odd to me.

‘Jerusalem’ the poem (set to music) isn’t literally about the actual city of Jerusalem, it’s about England.

In fact it’s specifically about Jerusalem not being in England 😄 It’s a warning about not being complacent and too nationalistic and it’s sung frequently by people who are complacently nationalistic.

"The poem was inspired by the apocryphal story that a young Jesus, accompanied by Joseph of Arimathea, a tin merchant, travelled to what is now England and visited Glastonbury during his unknown years.[2][3] The poem’s theme is linked to the Book of Revelation (3:12 and 21:2) describing a Second Coming, wherein Jesus establishes a New Jerusalem. The Christian church in general, and the English Church in particular, has long used Jerusalem as a metaphor for Heaven, a place of universal love and peace.[a]

In the most common interpretation of the poem, Blake implies that a visit by Jesus would briefly create heaven in England, in contrast to the “dark Satanic Mills” of the Industrial Revolution. Blake’s poem asks four questions rather than asserting the historical truth of Christ’s visit. Thus the poem merely implies that there may, or may not, have been a divine visit, when there was briefly heaven in England"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_did_those_feet_in_ancient_time

The poem clearly asks if Jesus walked in England. The answer being no. The point being that England is not particularly worthy of regard and has to strive to be worthy of a holy visitation. It is frequently sung by people who don’t get this really simple message.

So you disagree with wiki’s interpretation of the poem that I quoted?

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Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Warbler said:

As for a change in the Anthem, Jerusalem was mentioned, the only problem I see with that is that it is named after a city that is not in the UK. Jerusalem is in Israel. That is like America using an Anthem named “Paris”. It seems odd to me.

‘Jerusalem’ the poem (set to music) isn’t literally about the actual city of Jerusalem, it’s about England.

In fact it’s specifically about Jerusalem not being in England 😄 It’s a warning about not being complacent and too nationalistic and it’s sung frequently by people who are complacently nationalistic.

"The poem was inspired by the apocryphal story that a young Jesus, accompanied by Joseph of Arimathea, a tin merchant, travelled to what is now England and visited Glastonbury during his unknown years.[2][3] The poem’s theme is linked to the Book of Revelation (3:12 and 21:2) describing a Second Coming, wherein Jesus establishes a New Jerusalem. The Christian church in general, and the English Church in particular, has long used Jerusalem as a metaphor for Heaven, a place of universal love and peace.[a]

In the most common interpretation of the poem, Blake implies that a visit by Jesus would briefly create heaven in England, in contrast to the “dark Satanic Mills” of the Industrial Revolution. Blake’s poem asks four questions rather than asserting the historical truth of Christ’s visit. Thus the poem merely implies that there may, or may not, have been a divine visit, when there was briefly heaven in England"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_did_those_feet_in_ancient_time

The poem clearly asks if Jesus walked in England. The answer being no. The point being that England is not particularly worthy of regard and has to strive to be worthy of a holy visitation. It is frequently sung by people who don’t get this really simple message.

So you disagree with wiki’s interpretation of the poem that I quoted?

Uh, yeah. As someone with more than passing familiarity with analysis of Blake’s works, I’d agree with Bingo that the wiki’s interpretation is wildly off the mark. You can fault the poem for its sentimentality and rose-tinted view of the past, but it never even pretends to put forth or support these strange religious theories, although it was likely inspired by them. The hypothetical future “Jerusalem” is created by the people of England returning to what they believe is good and right from the current “Satanic” industrial revolution – inspired by Christianity in their hearts certainly, but it is not built by the literal presence of Jesus in England. That’s never anything but metaphor in the poem.

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I have not read the rest of that wiki page. I just read the poem. But again, what’s to interpret? The poem itself on its own seems pretty straightforward.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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CatBus said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Warbler said:

As for a change in the Anthem, Jerusalem was mentioned, the only problem I see with that is that it is named after a city that is not in the UK. Jerusalem is in Israel. That is like America using an Anthem named “Paris”. It seems odd to me.

‘Jerusalem’ the poem (set to music) isn’t literally about the actual city of Jerusalem, it’s about England.

In fact it’s specifically about Jerusalem not being in England 😄 It’s a warning about not being complacent and too nationalistic and it’s sung frequently by people who are complacently nationalistic.

"The poem was inspired by the apocryphal story that a young Jesus, accompanied by Joseph of Arimathea, a tin merchant, travelled to what is now England and visited Glastonbury during his unknown years.[2][3] The poem’s theme is linked to the Book of Revelation (3:12 and 21:2) describing a Second Coming, wherein Jesus establishes a New Jerusalem. The Christian church in general, and the English Church in particular, has long used Jerusalem as a metaphor for Heaven, a place of universal love and peace.[a]

In the most common interpretation of the poem, Blake implies that a visit by Jesus would briefly create heaven in England, in contrast to the “dark Satanic Mills” of the Industrial Revolution. Blake’s poem asks four questions rather than asserting the historical truth of Christ’s visit. Thus the poem merely implies that there may, or may not, have been a divine visit, when there was briefly heaven in England"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_did_those_feet_in_ancient_time

The poem clearly asks if Jesus walked in England. The answer being no. The point being that England is not particularly worthy of regard and has to strive to be worthy of a holy visitation. It is frequently sung by people who don’t get this really simple message.

So you disagree with wiki’s interpretation of the poem that I quoted?

Uh, yeah. As someone with more than passing familiarity with analysis of Blake’s works, I’d agree with Bingo that the wiki’s interpretation is wildly off the mark. You can fault the poem for its sentimentality and rose-tinted view of the past, but it never even pretends to put forth or support these strange religious theories, although it was likely inspired by them. The hypothetical future “Jerusalem” is created by the people of England returning to what they believe is good and right from the current “Satanic” industrial revolution – inspired by Christianity in their hearts certainly, but it is not built by the literal presence of Jesus in England. That’s never anything but metaphor in the poem.

Alright, just wanted to make sure I understood.

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Please tell me at least one of the indictments in question is for a non-federal crime. I would hope the pardon-proof Schneiderman tag-team approach creates some lovely singing.

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Weirdness.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/18/media/stephen-colbert-sean-spicer/index.html

Stephen Colbert had the idea to invite Sean Spicer up on stage at the Emmys on Sunday night. He and his producers knew there would be blowback. And there’s been a whole lot.

But Colbert thought it would be funny and surprising, and that’s what mattered most.

Spicer scored points for comedy but sparked a raging debate: Should Colbert and the Emmys have given Spicer a platform to rehabilitate an image so badly tarnished by his brief stint working as President Trump’s spokesman?

Was Spicer “in on the joke?” Was he essentially admitting to lying to the American people from behind the White House podium?

As the debate went on late Sunday night, Colbert was celebrating his first gig hosting the Emmys at a late-night party in Los Angeles. Spicer was there too, taking selfies with celebrities and gawkers. He seemed to revel in the attention.

Spicer resigned from his job as White House press secretary in July and formally left the administration in August. Now he is hitting the speaker circuit, landing consulting gigs and looking for a potential TV commentator job. He will be a visiting fellow at Harvard Kennedy School’s Institute of Politics this fall.

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Yeah I like Colbert but that was a very poor choice. Fuck Spicer.

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DominicCobb said:

Yeah I like Colbert but that was a very poor choice. Fuck Spicer.

Every word in this post is correct.

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Yeah, it’s weird that people are willing to accept Spicer as a critic of Trump now. It’d be a lot like George Bush coming out and talking about how bad Dick Cheney was. You were still in on it! You don’t get to mock it like an outsider.

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It’s pretty common for the media to put way too much focus on intra-party criticism. Not because the criticism is any more valid or because the critic isn’t an absolutely horrible human being in his own right, but because it changes the dynamic of the day-in-day-out “talking point from both sides” news cycle – which, to be frank, is dull as hell. I’m honestly not sure it really rehabilitates the image of the critic, though. I don’t think there’s a person on Earth who doesn’t still think Joe Lieberman is an absolute tool. I doubt Spicer (or Yoo) will fare better.

But then along comes Kissinger to prove me wrong. Washed clean by the tongues of a thousand pundits 😕

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The Trump admin can’t even cook up its own biased studies properly. Even when they specifically asked HHS for a study showing how refugees harm America, HHS comes back with a study showing that they don’t.

Have they learned nothing from Nixon and Cheney? You need a Team B! Competitive studies from different groups! The team producing the results the administration likes best gets to keep their jobs! Let the invisible hand of the marketplace make the best science rise to the top!

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TV’s Frink said:

Russia and Israel are obvious but I forget… is there a specific reason the Philippines seems to distrust Trump to a lesser degree that most countries? (of course they started at a higher level of approval)

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Ryan McAvoy said:

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Russia and Israel are obvious but I forget… is there a specific reason the Philippines seems to distrust Trump to a lesser degree that most countries? (of course they started at a higher level of approval)

The Philippines and Poland both have their own local Trump administrations, which are both managing more local support than our own Trump in spite of autocratic red flags all over the field. So when people in the Philippines hear bellicose dick-waving and absurd levels of disrespect for the basic foundations of democracy coming from the US, at least some of them announce they’ve already got one of those, and it’s very nice. Not listed: Turkey and Hungary, with the same issue.

I’m assuming Poland is a little more wary of Trump than the Philippines due to the Russia connection – not that their own government isn’t ironically even deeper into that business than our own. Also, Trump’s anti-China blather must be playing a lot better in the Philippines than his actual China performance, and I hate to say that his anti-Muslim blather probably helps him there a lot as well.

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