Kennedy worse than Lucas. — Page 3

joefavs said:

RE: soundtracks, TFA introduced no fewer than four memorable and eminently hummable themes (Rey’s, Kylo’s, March of the Resistance, and Jedi Steps). None of the prequels had more than two. R1 was indeed comparatively weak (apart from the Whills theme), but you can’t expect much else without Williams on board.

TPM:

• The High Council Meeting and Qui-Gon’s Funeral
• Duel of the Fates
• The Sith Spacecraft and The Droid Battle
• Anakin’s Theme

and there are probably a couple of songs I’m forgetting

Revenge of The Sith:

• Anakin’s Dream
• Battle of the Heroes
• Anakin’s Betrayal
• Padmé’s Ruminations
• Anakin vs. Obi-Wan
• Anakin’s Dark Deeds
• The Immolation Scene

TFA doesn’t even enough tracks to fuck with ROTS’ Soundtrack and doesn’t reach the heights of TPM’s Soundtrack in my opinion. You got me on AOTC though.

No Droid Invasion/Separatist Theme?

I do have to agree on the PT scores vs. the TFA score. I love Rey’s theme, Jedi Steps, and Scherzo for X-wings, but other than that it’s pretty anemic. The PT, on the other hand, provided a ton of memorable themes (though AOTC was hamstrung by excessive editing late in the game and too much tracked music). Duel of the Fates, Anakin’s Theme, The Flag Parade, whatever music is playing when the Trade Federation ships land on Naboo, Qui-Gon’s funeral, Across the Stars, Battle of the Heroes, Immolation Scene, Anakin’s Dark Deeds, Grievous’ theme…

My hopes for TLJ’s score are honestly pretty tempered at this point.

Also, I liked RO’s score a lot more than most seem to have, though I admit to having a soft spot for Giacchino.

The TPM score is very good. I don’t remember much of the other two because so much is recycled from TPM.

TV’s Frink said:

The TPM score is very good. I don’t remember much of the other two because so much is recycled from TPM.

Aotc definitely but I’d say rots has a very good score also, maybe not as good as tpm.

Possessed said:

TV’s Frink said:

The TPM score is very good. I don’t remember much of the other two because so much is recycled from TPM.

Aotc definitely but I’d say rots has a very good score also, maybe not as good as tpm.

Musically either Williams is just getting old or Lucas wasn’t giving him good instructions or the whole editing process really screwed things up. I think TPM was the last good Star Wars score. AOTC has Across the Stars and then blech. His songs for TFA are much better than the ROTS score. But to be honest, the music is best in TESB. It would be wonderful if Rian Johnson could get Williams to deliver a stunning score again. Music can make the movie. I think Rogue One might have been even better with Williams, but they used his themes with some new ones and did something very good (if not perfect). I hadn’t really thought about it before, but I think musically, I would rank William’s films scores as TESB, TPM, ROTJ, ANH, ATOC, TFA, ROTS. (I put ANH lower because it uses more varied styles that don’t fit as well with the saga as a whole while TESB, TPM, and ROTJ are more thematically unified)

yotsuya said:

Possessed said:

TV’s Frink said:

The TPM score is very good. I don’t remember much of the other two because so much is recycled from TPM.

Aotc definitely but I’d say rots has a very good score also, maybe not as good as tpm.

Musically either Williams is just getting old or Lucas wasn’t giving him good instructions or the whole editing process really screwed things up. I think TPM was the last good Star Wars score. AOTC has Across the Stars and then blech. His songs for TFA are much better than the ROTS score. But to be honest, the music is best in TESB. It would be wonderful if Rian Johnson could get Williams to deliver a stunning score again. Music can make the movie. I think Rogue One might have been even better with Williams, but they used his themes with some new ones and did something very good (if not perfect). I hadn’t really thought about it before, but I think musically, I would rank William’s films scores as TESB, TPM, ROTJ, ANH, ATOC, TFA, ROTS. (I put ANH lower because it uses more varied styles that don’t fit as well with the saga as a whole while TESB, TPM, and ROTJ are more thematically unified)

Composers don’t create moving music unless the narrative they are watching moves them in a similar way. Commercial junk will not produce inspiring music because it is devoid of anything inspiring within.

Tantive3+1 said:

I never really liked the chorus in Duel of the Fates. It just didn’t belong for me.

This is correct.

Also people, please stop using the word “songs.”

Frank your Majesty said:

yotsuya said:

(I put ANH lower because it uses more varied styles that don’t fit as well with the saga as a whole while TESB, TPM, and ROTJ are more thematically unified)

I completely disagree. For me, Star Wars has the perfect score, every piece is unique and memorable. From Empire onward, there are a few outstanding pieces, while most of the music just blends in and isn’t nearly as prominent as in Star Wars.

I agree for a stand alone movie. But ANH had a classical temp track that Williams was writing to where TESB and the rest do not (at least I’ve never heard they did) and each piece is more melodic and in sync with the saga. ANH has a very different score than any of the others. I only ranked it lower because it is so different and the music, while iconic, doesn’t stand alone as well as TESB.

Some of these responses are too much lol

SilverWook said:

How much did control did George really have over that sort of thing at the time?

Well I know for a fact that he approved the Holiday Special at least. He claims he didn’t pay much attention to it as it was produced and has since disowned it, but still, he let it happen. So that kind of trumps all, doesn’t it?

Empire has the best soundtrack. All three are pretty damn good though.

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

The TPM score is very good. I don’t remember much of the other two because so much is recycled from TPM.

This closely mirrors my opinion.

Typical Mini Frink.

Star Wars is my favorite movie, but the theme from Superman is my favorite from John Williams.

the PT soundtracks are bland, uninspired, and most importantly 1000 PERCENT john williams.

overuse of lazy opera that had no place in star wars(most of the instruments in the star wars soundtrack are always horns and anything but human voices).

as for the the PT films themselves, there was nothing remotely artistic or deep about any of them. None of the PT films are remembered or left any impact on popular culture, none of them have any real themes that transcend the hollow bush era gimmicks of “deep but not deep” blockbusters of the past ten years. Decisions in the PT are in many ways a lot worse than the most corporate decisions of the new star wars era so far. lets make a comprehensive list of some of the worst unsalvageable decisions of the PT.

darth vader, the most compelling mysterious character of the OT is turned into a franchise black hole in which the literal world-building is built around, making star wars smaller than a backyard in a way that disney is literally trying so hard to fix by putting skywalkers in the background or as villains instead of main characters.

darth vader building C3PO was worse than any of the character problems in rogue one…largely because the rogue one cast is killed off and effectively erased…while the darth vader building C3PO WILL ALWAYS BE A PART OF BOTH CHARACTERS HISTORY!!! FOREVAH

palpatine, the second best villian of the OT turns from a interesting parallel of Caesarien dictatorship to the lord of plot-conveniences and using the force to cover up plot holes.

the chosen one prophecy is the final nail in the coffin…you forever give up any illusion of artistic integrity the second you include it in your narrative. wheel of time BARELY worked cause of luck, LOTR worked because it basically made the chosen one into a supporting character(aragorn), matrix worked because of eastern philosophy and free will governing the worldbuilding.

the romance between anakin and padme is artistically and psychologically empty and without any narrative or thematic merit…it feels like a corporate checklist for lucas than a real plot point. much like padmes character, the romance feels like a obligation that needs to happen because of the twins.

yoda and jedi teachings got turned from the deepness of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YkbgvRMpW0

to the fortune cookie level writing of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91_G8iaokk8

but okay…let us alll value new colors and new ships even if the colors and ships look like fucking cartoons…LIKE THAT IS WHAT MAKES A GREAT STAR WARS MOVIE

they are not fascinating failures, they are artistic failures whose failings will infect star wars for years to come and no amount of originality(not quality) is gonna put them above any of the episodes of the cartoon forces of destiny.