Do you include me in your list of “self-righteous jerks”? You did say “I can’t engage with any of you.”.
I’m tired and irritable and not in the mood to put up with how liberals describe my views on abortion. You’re not part of that crowd. This thread is just not fun anymore, and this is why hardly post in it anymore.
Oh, shut up. We weren’t describing your views on abortion. We were discussing what labels regarding stance on abortion may (or may not) be more (or less) accurate in general, and our individual opinions of why they might or might not be accurate.
Now, instead of using liberal as an epithet and putting everyone of apparently opposing view in a box while complaining about how they put you in a box, why don’t you be an adult and actually try having an intelligent rational conversation.
I’m very sorry that I offended you by stating that the Left is overgeneralizing. How dare I broach such a sensitive topic with such callousness. I feel awful that I hurt your feelings!
everybody likes choice
Not everybody. That’s the point isn’t it?
What about pro and anti-choice?
So if someone opposes abortion, that means they oppose choice? It doesn’t mean they hold life sacred from conception? It doesn’t mean they value the future of the child?
I tend to say pro- and anti-abortion.
Pro-abortion is misleading and inflammatory. It goes again to the idea that the left wants lots and lots of abortions, which is flat out wrong.
Pro-life and pro-abortion are both right-wing distortions.
Anyone who is truly pro-life should also support all methods of reducing abortions, including sex-education and wide availability of contraception. Unfortunately, and especially when religion is involved, that’s very often not the case.
How is the term pro-choice limiting and divisive? It’s a legitimate description of the position, which is being in favor of the woman’s right to choose.
Anti-abortion is much more accurate than pro-life.
Pro-life is a distortion? Are you telling me that those who choose the label ‘pro-life’ are not accurately in favor of life? And let me ask here, how many of the pro-choice crowd have said at least once in a recent discussion about abortion that those who oppose it are somehow opposed to women (i.e. War on Women, want to keep women in the kitchen, etc.)? Is that not a distortion?
As for pro-life being a rightwing distortion, I don’t necessarily see how. It’s technically accurate.
The right does not support life as much as they are against abortion. Hence anti-abortion being more accurate.
Here’s another example - Republicans (in general) favor tax breaks that favor the rich while pulling government support from the poor. They care about making sure a fetus comes to term, but then don’t care at all what happens after it is born. That’s not pro-life either, that’s anti-abortion.
Is that not an oversimplification? Is there really this belief that Republicans are just out to punish the poor? Even if you oppose fiscal conservatism, it seems wrong to me to ascribe motives like not caring how the child fares after birth. I am more moderate than most conservatives and favor more social programs than your average Republican, but nevertheless, are you not generalizing that most who oppose abortion and favor individuals and families taking more personal responsibility for their economic well-being are really “not caring” about how the child does after birth?
I thought that if a group chooses to identify by a certain term, that is their right to choose. I am pro-life. Most conservatives, even the overzealous Evangelical brand, care a great deal about people from conception until death. I’ve seen stereotypes in this thread about how every conservative belief is motivated by sexism or racism or socioeconomic superiority. Most of them are good people who think they are doing what is best for the general populace. I get just as irritated at them when I hear stupid generalizations about liberals.
The old politics thread used to have much more diversity of opinion, and I loved it back then. Now it is populated mostly by liberals who reinforce each others’ points of view without much opposition. Well, I’m here to tell you that I am a pro-life, anti-Trump, moderate conservative who does not appreciate stupid stereotypes, whether from the angry Right or holier-than-thou Left. And so, dear chyron847, you can shut up.