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Darth Mallwalker said:

I ripped 1478-80
A long time ago…

Schorman ripped 'em all
and GOUT-sync’ed too!

For a DVD release you wouldn’t want uncompressed PCM; it’s more than a gigabyte.
I think Harmy’s AVCHD had a 2.0 track, if the bitrate isn’t too high for DVD-spec.
Chew used hairy_hen’s 5.1 IIRC when he converted Harmy’s works to DVD

Thanks for the info! Actually, if I sync and do the conversion to ac3 myself, an uncompressed is the most useful. Yeah, a 2 hour wav file at 48k hz would be about a gig and a half. Not sure if gout-synching helps.

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Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

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Could you not just slightly lower the bit rate for rotj to make room? And for mpg2 I highly, HIGHLY recommend hcenc. It’s free and gives fantastic results. And it has an option to where you just set max bitrate and desired file size and it will calculate the avg bit rate automatically and get very close to the filesize you desire. It works great and I even use it for blu ray encoding because it’s so easy and its encodes are as good as h264 at high bit rates. (Obviously at lower bit rates h264 will always win but at high rates I don’t see much difference)

What do you think might be a reasonable average bitrate for acceptable quality?

Well I primarily work with hd so I’m not sure. My best bet would be to pick a decent max bitrate then tell it how big you want the file to be and let it figure out the average for you.

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Possessed said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Possessed said:

Could you not just slightly lower the bit rate for rotj to make room? And for mpg2 I highly, HIGHLY recommend hcenc. It’s free and gives fantastic results. And it has an option to where you just set max bitrate and desired file size and it will calculate the avg bit rate automatically and get very close to the filesize you desire. It works great and I even use it for blu ray encoding because it’s so easy and its encodes are as good as h264 at high bit rates. (Obviously at lower bit rates h264 will always win but at high rates I don’t see much difference)

What do you think might be a reasonable average bitrate for acceptable quality?

Well I primarily work with hd so I’m not sure. My best bet would be to pick a decent max bitrate then tell it how big you want the file to be and let it figure out the average for you.

Dvd has spec’s you know. Limit to Max of 9.8 Mbps. I suggest puggo just author this the same as the others, that way we get a consistent set 😎

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The others were done at avg 4.5 Mbps, max=7.5. If I use that for ROTP, I can’t even fit the optical audio on the disc, let alone menus and extras.

If I drop the average bit rate to 4.0 Mbps, I can fit the optical audio at 2/0 (192k) and still have some room for other stuff. Not sure if a second audio track would fit. I can’t immediately discern the difference between 4.5 and 4.0. I’m fearful of even trying 3.5, thus my asking what others have tried.

I can save a tiny amount of space by dropping the audio to 1/0 and a lower bitrate. My guess is that a bitrate of 64k would be indistinguishable for the optical audio. I’m not sure whether the hassle that 1/0 might create on some DVD players (center channel only?) to be worth the small amount of savings. And obviously I wouldn’t have that option for LD stereo.

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Maybe it’s time to consider a dual layer release?

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Either that or do the lower bitrate with a 704x480 resolution vs 720x480 standard.

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dahmage said:

Possessed said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Possessed said:

Could you not just slightly lower the bit rate for rotj to make room? And for mpg2 I highly, HIGHLY recommend hcenc. It’s free and gives fantastic results. And it has an option to where you just set max bitrate and desired file size and it will calculate the avg bit rate automatically and get very close to the filesize you desire. It works great and I even use it for blu ray encoding because it’s so easy and its encodes are as good as h264 at high bit rates. (Obviously at lower bit rates h264 will always win but at high rates I don’t see much difference)

What do you think might be a reasonable average bitrate for acceptable quality?

Well I primarily work with hd so I’m not sure. My best bet would be to pick a decent max bitrate then tell it how big you want the file to be and let it figure out the average for you.

Dvd has spec’s you know. Limit to Max of 9.8 Mbps. I suggest puggo just author this the same as the others, that way we get a consistent set 😎

Hcenc has an automatic dvd-compliance check you know, should you choose to use it. And encoding the mpg2 and authoring the dvd can be done separately, I was merely suggesting he use hcenc to get the file size he needed for the main feature, um, you know, so he could author the rest of the disc like the others in the set?

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If worse comes to worse could there be just an MKV file version? I remember harmy or someone saying that PSB samples uncompressed were much better then the dvd5 final version.

As for audio, it’s much like ESB in that most of the pre-definitive collection audio tracks seem almost identical and are likely all derived from the theatrical stereo with perhaps some minor massaging here and there for the formats.

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Recalling the goal of these 16mm projects… first and foremost, their purpose is to provide another source of data for people researching details about the movies. So I think it’s important to make them easy to get and easy to watch, and to include only the original footage and audio with as few changes as possible. They aren’t intended to be the greatest movie-going experience.

I have always been happy to make the raw captures available to anyone with an actual use for them.

With this in mind, I think that it’s more important to fit a doc describing the capture, etc., than to include the laserdisc audio. If I can fit the latter I will, otherwise, I’ll just stick with the optical audio.

This is not to say that future projects at much higher resolution won’t happen… more on that later.

Working on the doc tomorrow…

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Sorry for my rudeness earlier possessed, must have been an agravating day at the office.

Puggo, your plans sound fine to me. And if a future higher quality release ever happens I would certainly be interested in that as well. 😀. Your releases so far have been quite a treat to see, and I thank you for them.

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We’ll just become progressively ruder until you notice, then, okay?

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I liked the stereo option on the PSB disc since the mono mix had so many differences and it was fun to compare, but obviously it’s not really necessary if a convenient DVD5 of a 131 minute long film is what is ultimately wanted.

I just wanna see the dang thing and have a complete “mouse droppings” trilogy, honestly.

So, a new book came out and we learned so much, and it is called, “Anguilosaurus, Killer of the Living”.

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Was the optical track on PSB really a different mix? I know that was the case for PG, but I thought the mono on PSB was just a folddown of the stereo. Honestly I can’t remember.

I’m also assuming there never was a mono mix of ROTJ… (right?)

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PSB had a unique mix that we never knew existed.

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IIRC, didn’t the Super 8 digests appear to have the same mix?

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Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Was the optical track on PSB really a different mix? I know that was the case for PG, but I thought the mono on PSB was just a folddown of the stereo. Honestly I can’t remember.

I’m also assuming there never was a mono mix of ROTJ… (right?)

That’s not 100% for certain. There were still a lot of theaters rocking mono well into the '80’s.

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SilverWook said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Was the optical track on PSB really a different mix? I know that was the case for PG, but I thought the mono on PSB was just a folddown of the stereo. Honestly I can’t remember.

I’m also assuming there never was a mono mix of ROTJ… (right?)

That’s not 100% for certain. There were still a lot of theaters rocking mono well into the '80’s.

80’s… try 90’s here. We had a total of 7 Mann screens in two buildings. 6 of them mono until they closed. I ended up with the screen from one of them, but had to throw it out because it was cracked. That was after 90 and the 4 plex closed later. We also had a two plex with a mono and stereo theater and I remember I saw Blade Runner in 1992 in the mono theater and Gone With the Wind in the stereo theater. But I believe that along the way all the projectors became stereo compatible. That was the goal of the Dolby Stereo process… whether you have one speaker, two, or full surround, one print for all.

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This is getting exciting! No rush of course. Just excited to see this. Thanks Puggo!

PS. Puggo… check you private messages when you are able.

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There was a mono ROTJ mix assembled, but obviously the question is whether or not this print uses it or not (or if there’s any differences other than acoustic adjustment). I can’t find the exact thread, but a while back there was an excerpt from a book or article about when everything pertaining to Jedi was delivered to Fox and it mentioned a mono version.

So, a new book came out and we learned so much, and it is called, “Anguilosaurus, Killer of the Living”.