I saw a little bit of an episode this season. I can see the series is not for me anymore. The Master switching to a good guy/gal? It is ok that he/she murdered people because people eat meat??? Sorry no thanks.
I’m a vegetarian so it’s preaching to the converted in my case.
But it’s really a metaphor for ethical perspective and innate nature. As moral beings we see killing our own kind, most of the time, as an act of evil but as products of nature making that connection to what we may deem as lesser creatures isn’t as obvious. There is a similar problem for some when they respond to the eating of pigs and dogs or killing of creatures considered pests when a more humane option is available. The Master is an alien. He/she sees us as barely alive shapes that can be popped for amusement but her friend from the same species sees us as kindred. The Mistress seems to having an epithany (though she could be lying). She seems to be seeing us as more than finger paint. As a Christian Warb you believe in redemption for all, even Satan could be redeemed if he genuinely acted on regret and confession. Missy has been Conditioned to be Satanic. She claims to be breaking that conditioning… Very reluctantly at the moment and possibly as a deception. The Doctor wants redemption for all. He has done terrible things and feels if he can save these arch characters he can save himself. It’s a surprisingly Christian theme. I’m confused why you wouldn’t embrace it.I figured you’d respond with something like this.
I will never ever equate the killing of humans(sentient, a life that knows and knows that it knows) to the killing of an animal(non-sentient). I know we will never agree on this, so that is that.
Yes I understand that Missy/Master doesn’t equate the life of a human with that of a Timelord. But still he/she is smart enough to be able to see that humans are sentient. Also has the Master/Missy ever had a problem with taking the life a Timelord when it suits his/her purposes?
when/how was Missy/Master “conditioned” to be satanic?
I could be wrong about this, but I am pretty sure that Satan is beyond redemption by now.
You might as well try to redeem the Daleks.
There is a difference between how I view things in real life as compared to a fictional tv show. The fictional Master/Missy is beyond redemption, imo. Real life villain aren’t like character of the Master/Missy.
You say the Doctor did terrible things. What terrible things. If I am not mistaken, the only “terrible thing” he did, he has reversed so it never happened. Also did that “terrible thing” to end war that threatened the galaxy. He did it to save lives.
- Most animals (possibly some networks of plants and fungi) are without doubt sentient, Sapience is relative. But in the context of the show the Doctor can hold a conversation with cat or a horse in the same way he can with a human baby. The language of crows is something the telepathic circuits of the TARDIS can translate into languages the crew can understand. In the past this gave the Doctor pause enough to dabble with vegetarianism (something he gave up though his subconscious beats himself up over it).
2).Missy like the Doctor can hold a conversation with a cat. Missy would probably eat a cat and enjoy it just as Bill enjoys her bacon sandwich. She has eaten humans and considered eating Clara. To her awareness is not enough to warrant parity as a species. She has generally sociopathic tendencies even to other Time Lords but to her eating human is no different than Bill eating pork.
3). The Master was made aware of his own heart beat as a signal to the High Council to attempt to pull them out of the Time War. This became more acute over time and contributed to his pure mental health (The Sound of Drums). Rassilon himself assumes responsibility for the Master being “diseased” but doesn’t care, being pretty evil himself.
4)… surely for the love your enemy thing to work God has to practice what he preaches. Going by the character’s MO I doubt if the Prince of Lies would give an honest confession but that’s the same situation we have with Missy who is at least as dishonest as the Doctor.
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The Doctor has repeatedly hoped for redemption for the Daleks (see Evil of the Daleks and Into the Dalek). He is happy when it seems to work and disappointed when it doesn’t. The Daleks are not his friends or even best enemies. Look at the acts of compassion he visited on Davros (someone he describes as his arch enemy much to annoyance of Missy).
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All things are fiction to some degree. It’s all metaphor. I don’t fully understand the workings of my own mind so to assume that of even my best friend is arrogant. All I have to work with is an approximation of what I can deduce other people are like. A story, based on a true story. So Missy is as real as anyone in my life… from a certain point of view 😃 There are similar creatures who see people as toys and toys as something to be broken. I can imagine some of those people experimenting with not behaving that way to reach some other goal. Maybe for Missy being friends with the Doctor again is worth giving up finger painting with the blood of the innocent… at least for a while. For the Doctor redemption for his old friend is worth risking the lives of his new friends. He is an alien. And if two human being can have different attitudes towards bacon or dog why can’t two aliens have different attitudes towards human or any other creature?