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NeverarGreat
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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15-Jun-2017, 1:27 AM

CatBus said:

I’m saying that Trump’s allies control the House and the Senate, and they have already bent over backward to avoid investigating this matter, so it’s abundantly clear what they’d do if he fired Mueller (same thing as when he fired Comey–either nothing at all, talk about how Mueller was a liberal partisan hack, or the McCain Special*). The courts have no legal authority to investigate, prosecute, or remove a President, so it doesn’t matter where they stand.

* Talk about what a sad, bad, terrible thing this is. Outrageous, unwarranted, and unprecedented. And then do nothing.

I agree with you, just making a Star Wars reference.

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

So WaPo is reporting that Trump is under investigation by Mueller for possible obstruction of justice, and there’s also a report that Trump floated the idea of firing Mueller publicly in order to influence Mueller to go easy on the investigation.

Amazing.

I hope he does fire Mueller it will add ammunition to the case.

More to the case, yes… but with nobody left to prosecute it.

I think a lot of people underestimate how lucky we are to have a Special Prosecutor in the first place. If the stars hadn’t aligned just right, the only things checking the power of this menace would have been the House, the Senate, and the courts. And while the courts are doing an admirable job going it alone on the whole checks and balances business, there are some things they simply lack the legal authority to do.

There’s this school of thought that if Trump indirectly fires Mueller by cycling through justice department heads just like Nixon did (he can’t fire him directly), that this will lead to widespread outrage, and that this outrage will lead to Trump’s goose finally being cooked. But what’s missing from this theory is the legal mechanism and authority that would cause Trump’s downfall. Courts can’t do it. House and Senate won’t do it. 25th amendment? Pfft, Trump’s own hand-picked cabinet of sycophants won’t do it. Voters? Show me how any amount of voter outrage can work against this map to do anything but give Trump an even friendlier Senate than he already has, and don’t even talk about House maps. Where’s the realistic path? Are we counting on military coups now? [Different, friendly] foreign interventions? Alien abductions?

Mueller is all we have. Please don’t wish for him to be fired just so you can feel the rush of righteous indignation, because it would only be followed by the utter incredulity of watching nobody doing anything about it.

Nixon did it and there was still a mechanism that eventually led to his downfall.

Yeah, but it took a Democratic majority.