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The GOUT isn’t even anamorphic… it looks like hell on a widescreen display. It has faded colors and image smear, as well as being pretty soft and without fine detail.

Even with all the effort to make it shine… it just can’t compare to a proper transfer from a quality source. The TN1 project of the '77 film is far superior to the 2006 bonus disc GOUT.

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LordZerome1080 said:

I have never been able to see anything wrong with the GOUT. Could somebody tell me what the big deal is?

It’s a non-anamorphic, letterboxed (black bars added to the video frame to make it fit a 4:3 ratio) DVD release of a previous laserdisc transfer. It has motion smearing (frames bleed into each other), severe color fading, extremely low resolution (see aforementioned letterboxing), poor sound quality, and aliasing (pixelly edges on curved objects)… among other things.

It’s decent if you compare it to VHS, but that’s about it. When trying to restore bluray quality footage to a non-SE state, GOUT footage stands out because it’s much lower quality. It’s not unwatchable; it’s just not a preferred source for footage when better sources are available for the project.

And Harmy basically was just now saying that, up until very recently, there were not better sources than the GOUT for specific non-SE scenes in the movie Star Wars.

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LordZerome1080 said:

I have never been able to see anything wrong with the GOUT. Could somebody tell me what the big deal is?

Although DVD features had made the transition to anamorphic years prior, the GOUT was still non-anamorphic, which was galling. Those who watched it on an SD-CRT might not have noticed the difference, but others would either get the “tiny window in the middle of the screen” effect, or they’d zoom in to see it nice and big… and blurry. Basically if the reason you bought the GOUT in the first place was specifically for the GOUT, and it got treated like some unfinished deleted scene (which was the only time non-anamorphic video was on DVD at that time anymore), you’d be pretty pissed. And considering it was presented side-by-side with another release clearly demonstrating that better source material existed (and wasn’t used), that was another kick in the teeth. Then, if you decided to get beyond the size and blurriness of the film, you’d start seeings things like the colors and DVNR, neither of which were out of place or particularly bad… for an early-nineties Laserdisc release. But for a contemporary DVD, they kinda sucked. And compared to HD, well, ick.

And then there’s the audio. This was the release that was being billed to be “just like it was in theatres”. Well, actually no, it wasn’t. The audio is the 93 mix, which was never in the theatres, and had lots of issues people complained about (nineties effects mixed into seventies audio, effects simply being left out). And lossy, so it actually managed to fare worse than Laserdisc in this respect.

Basically if you just want to re-create the feeling of watching Star Wars on television in the 80’s, the GOUT does a competent job of that. Minor issues, yeah, but it’s not too far off the mark. But if you want to re-create the feeling of watching it in the theatre? No, not one bit.

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The list of issues with the GOUT is long. It is a very flawed release, though it was not unheard of in DVD release history, it was about 10 years after other such titles that I have in my collection. It is pretty pathetic to try and watch it on a widescreen TV. It would have been nice if they had just used the same interpositives to make a new widescreen transfer, but they were lazy and used a slightly modified version of the 1993 Definitive Edition LD master tapes (replacing the ANH Episode IV title sequence with the original 1977 title sequence and leaving the 1993 audio). There is too much noise reduction and it is badly done (though from other releases where they didn’t use it there are issues and the choice becomes understandable in the old world of CRTs). They are just flawed, but they are still a better video source than most LD’s (the master tapes would be the full 480 lines where the LD is 400 lines of resolution)

The GOUT can be enhanced to look better, but not much better. It is probably best suited to sourcing a widescreen DVD, though from what I’ve seen, there is some benefit to scaling it up to 720p depending on what effects are used. It is better than LD, but still far below DVD standard.

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Other than a couple oddities such as missing or added sound effects, I would say the 93 mixes are the best available for the films, se or not. But the gout compresses it to 192kbps for no reason, they could have at least used 384 kbps which would have still been fairly small but would have sounded great.

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I’m sorry, but what is “GOUT”? I’m brazillian and can’t understand all the words! ;p
But, the video quality depends on somethings like codecs and some filters, you can “mask” it!

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Kaen said:

I’m sorry, but what is “GOUT”? I’m brazillian and can’t understand all the words! ;p
But, the video quality depends on somethings like codecs and some filters, you can “mask” it!

GOUT = George’s Original Unaltered Trilogy. 😃

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Kaen said:

I’m sorry, but what is “GOUT”? I’m brazillian and can’t understand all the words! ;p
But, the video quality depends on somethings like codecs and some filters, you can “mask” it!

The GOUT refers to the 2006 DVD set that included the original unaltered trilogy as bonus discs. These were just mastered from Laserdisc so the quality wasn’t great.

Gout is also a medical reference to a type of foot arthritis so it’s a bit of a pun. (Gota is the Portuguese word I think…)

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JayArgonaut said:

Kaen said:

I’m sorry, but what is “GOUT”? I’m brazillian and can’t understand all the words! ;p
But, the video quality depends on somethings like codecs and some filters, you can “mask” it!

GOUT = George’s Original Unaltered Trilogy. 😃

Oh, thanks! =)

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Mavimao said:

Kaen said:

I’m sorry, but what is “GOUT”? I’m brazillian and can’t understand all the words! ;p
But, the video quality depends on somethings like codecs and some filters, you can “mask” it!

The GOUT refers to the 2006 DVD set that included the original unaltered trilogy as bonus discs. These were just mastered from Laserdisc so the quality wasn’t great.

Gout is also a medical reference to a type of foot arthritis so it’s a bit of a pun. (Gota is the Portuguese word I think…)

The quality of these are horrible, I have the DVDs (2 versions in 2 discs)

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Hi, I am a new user here on the forums and am wondering where the best place for me to ask general questions regarding the despecialized editions would be. Also I would like to apologize if I am creating unnecessary clutter on this thread as I do not mean to do so. Thanks for any response!
Mitchell w.

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This is exactly the place to ask general questions on Despecialized, as long as you’ve already read the first post and saw if it answered your questions.

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doubleofive said:

This is exactly the place to ask general questions on Despecialized, as long as you’ve already read the first post and saw if it answered your questions.

Okay, thank you for your response, I had already read the first post in addition to what I would consider a fair amount of research from other sites and threads here. As unfortunately the only Star Wars I have known recently is the altered one included in the blu ray set I am very interested in seeing it as it was meant to be seen. However there are still a few things which remain unclear to me such as: Is V2.7 the most recent available?(from what I understand there is a V3.0 is in the works) And is the native resolution 720p? Also Does it come with a start up menu?

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Mitchell wheeler said:

doubleofive said:

This is exactly the place to ask general questions on Despecialized, as long as you’ve already read the first post and saw if it answered your questions.

Is V2.7 the most recent available?

Yes.

(from what I understand there is a V3.0 is in the works)

Eventually.

And is the native resolution 720p?

Yes.

Also Does it come with a start up menu?

No.

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IF you go on the spleen and do a search for the posts by njvc, you will find the most recent versions of the Harmy creations with menus, etc. You can get them in 25gb and 50gb sizes.

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What are the latest versions of empire and Jedi?
Also is there a specific version including menus that is generally preferred?(I have heard of several users adding their own and making them available to others however I would like to know if there is one considered to be the “best” or most often preferred)

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Empire is at 2.0, Jedi 2.5. I don’t do menus.

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cybrsage said:

IF you go on the spleen and do a search for the posts by njvc, you will find the most recent versions of the Harmy creations with menus, etc. You can get them in 25gb and 50gb sizes.

Ok, thanks for the info, btw I only saw this after I had already posted my previous comment

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Mitchemooll wheeler said:

cybrsage said:

IF you go on the spleen and do a search for the posts by njvc, you will find the most recent versions of the Harmy creations with menus, etc. You can get them in 25gb and 50gb sizes.

Ok, thanks for the info, btw I only saw this after I had already posted my previous comment

Cross-posting happens, I wouldn’t worry about it. 😃

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Spleen is the best way to obtain the full size files correct? I would like to be able to burn the despecialized trilogy at its highest quality to blu ray discs for media room viewing.

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Mitchell wheeler said:

Spleen is the best way to obtain the full size files correct? I would like to be able to burn despecialized to blu ray discs for media room viewing.

I would say yes.

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cybrsage said:

Mitchell wheeler said:

Spleen is the best way to obtain the full size files correct? I would like to be able to burn despecialized to blu ray discs for media room viewing.

I would say yes.

Is there a way you would recommended I go about gaining access to myspleen? To my knowledge it can be somewhat difficult.

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Mitchell wheeler said:

cybrsage said:

Mitchell wheeler said:

Spleen is the best way to obtain the full size files correct? I would like to be able to burn despecialized to blu ray discs for media room viewing.

I would say yes.

Is there a way you would recommended I go about gaining access to myspleen? To my knowledge it can be somewhat difficult.

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Post-in-this-thread-to-request-an-invite-to-MySpleenorg-you-MUST-read-the-first-post/id/8592

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Hey Harmy,

Very pure Star Wars fan from here in the UK. When I heard about the Despecialized Editions that you and others created, I was blown away. I had to start by trying to get ‘EMPIRE’, which is my favourite. Your guide was FLAWLESS!! It looks incredible and can’t wait to see the the others.

Keep up the amazing work.

MTFBWY. 😃