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I hear you, DominicCobb, but I actually prefer it that way.
The filmmakers chose not to spring SKB on us until the start of Act 2, and we aren’t finally given “the rules” until Act 3 kicks off. One of this project’s implied tenets is that Act 2 is better off without SKB, and so its role is relegated to Act 3. (Actually, this project gives us our first glimpse of SKB at the same point as in the theatrical. Only this time, we see it as an establishing shot, but aren’t told what exactly we are looking at until later. In a way, it is how we experienced SKB in real life. We saw it on the poster, and wondered about it until we saw it in the movie.)

Mentioning SKB in the crawl seems weird to me for any edit; in this version the weapon doesn’t truly come into play until Act 3 (where it functions, as all involved will admit, as backdrop for the real story being told), and even in the theatrical it isn’t mentioned at all until Act 2. Even ROTJ drops us into the second Death Star right off the bat.

Aside from all that, as a purely subjective piece… when I watched TFA the first few times, prior to any thought about fan editing, I really enjoyed the ride up until the first Snoke scene. SKB really throws a wrench into my enjoyment of Act 2, so this edit will alleviate that. (And, as I said above, letting us experience SKB in an analogous way to people in real life leading up to TFA’s release.) When we are given the absurdly short briefing scene, it’s hilarious how abrupt and silly it is. To me, this edit doesn’t really do much to exacerbate this. Details about SKB are presented to us as they become important, given that the weapon only is prepped once.

That’s why I like the idea of SKB not entering the stage until Act 3, aside from an exposition-free visual sighting at the start of Act 2. But, then again, I’m a very strange person.

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Not sure I really get it - you dislike SKB so you want to put all its introductory/expository stuff at the same time, rather than spread out?

The intel and plan of attack scene is absolutely nuts. It pissed me off the first time I saw the movie but now I just laugh along with it. I do think this edit makes it worse though because at least in the theatrical we’ve known for a awhile that there’s a weapon and by then we know what it’s capable of. So we’ve let it sink in well before that scene that this is a thing that will have to be stopped, which eases the abruptness of the plan. In the restructure, however, we learn about the base and then get the plan to destroy it almost immediately after.

I really am advocating a ROTJ solution. Obviously the original film handles the super weapon subplot the best as the mission to destroy it is really the main plot and everything that happens revolves around the mission to destroy it. In ROTJ, destroying the DS is really secondary to the primary plot of confronting/saving Vader - as in TFA it’s secondary to Rey’s call to the Force and finding Luke. So just like in TFA there’s one single scene where the Rebels learn about the DS (remember “Little does Luke know”?) and come up with a plan to destroy it. But no one ever complained about that scene. Why? I’d say it’s for two reasons. One: it’s the start of the second act rather than the third, and two: we are already well aware of the impending threat of the second DS, having read about it in the crawl and seeing Vader and the Emperor board it.

So in my mind, the solution is simple - add the impending threat of the SKB to the crawl and then let it loom throughout the film. The idea that it’s this mysterious ace up their sleeve that the First Order has is an interesting one, but it doesn’t really work narratively, I don’t think. The main problem being, even with the changes you’ve made to the crawl, I honestly feel like we understand the FO less. We just don’t understand their purpose. I mean sure, galactic domination, fine, but what’s their course of action? The theatrical gives us explanation by way of wanting to wipe out The Last Jedi. At the very least, I think there needs to be some indication in the crawl that the FO has plans to obliterate the Republic, even if we don’t necessarily know how yet. In that case, if you want the super weapon to be the ace up the sleeve, at least you’ve gotten the set up that they need an ace up their sleeve (really a proper set up and resolution of the question posed by the late Republic senators: are they a looming threat or aren’t they?).

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Two quick suggestions:

with SKB mention (somewhat stolen from Rogue Leader)

Episode VII
THE FORCE AWAKENS

Luke Skywalker has vanished. In his absence, the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen in secret from the ashes of the fractured Empire.

Failing to convince the New Republic to combat this looming threat, General Leia Organa hastens to form a brave RESISTANCE as the First Order prepares their secret weapon, the STARKILLER.

Desperate for her brother’s help, Leia has sent her most trusted pilot on a daring mission to Jakku, where a clue has been discovered to Luke’s whereabouts…

without SKB mention

Episode VII
THE FORCE AWAKENS

Luke Skywalker has vanished. In his absence, the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen in secret from the ashes of the fallen Empire and will not rest until the REPUBLIC has been destroyed.

Failing to convince the Senate of this emerging threat, General Leia Organa mobilizes a covert RESISTANCE to gather allies from the farthest reaches of the galaxy.

Desperate for her brother’s help, Leia has sent her most trusted pilot on a daring mission to Jakku, where a clue has been discovered to Luke’s whereabouts…

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DominicCobb said:

I know you’re liking the place the crawl is in, and I don’t mean to try to throw a wrench in, but it seems quite like a missed opportunity to not mention the Starkiller in the revised crawl. One of my issues with TFA is that the base is poorly established and I feel like unfortunately, with this restructure, you’ve only exacerbated that issue, with the base’s operational abilities not clear until well past the halfway mark.

I don’t have a particular suggestion at the moment though (I’m not really that helpful, I know). Just something to think about.

This. I agree, something should be mentioned in the crawl.

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I’ve probably said so before, but I think that TFA would be a much better movie without SKB, focusing instead on the search for Luke to drive the story.
When I first saw the movie I felt the same as Hal, where I really liked it up until SKB came into play. And while this edit fixes some of SKBs problems it also introduces new ones as the base basically appears out of nowhere in the third act.
Having it mentioned in the crawl and then seeing it every once in a while in the earlier parts of the movie would probably make it feel more coherent for the hypothetical first time viewer.

One thing that came to my mind while I typed the above is the following: How does the Resistance learn of the existence of SKB in this cut? The Hosnian system being destroyed was a pretty obvious “Hey look, we have a superweapon.” in the theatralic cut but in the new version they seem to just know of SKB but for some reason didn’t attack earlier.

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Yeah but in the theatrical cut there is no mention either in the Resistance situation room that the Hosnian system got destroyed by this weapon. I don’t have the restructure v1 on my working laptop to check, but I believe the SKB is mentioned after Finn is debriefed by Leia (tell us everything you know) and after the charging procedure begins (they are charging the weapon Finn told us about). I don’t see that much flaws here. At least it’s not worst than in the theatricul cut, and it breaks a little bit the rehash feeling of TFA. That’s being said, if a mention in the crawl about a “new powerful weapon being built in secret” could be added to address this issue, I would suggest to do so.

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Right. It’s implied that Finn spilled the beans not just on further details about SKB, as in the theatrical, but it’s very existence. If I mention SKB in the crawl, it will be important to me to imply it’s unknown by anyone else.
In either version of the movie, no one cares or talks much about the destruction of the Republic capital.

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Hal 9000 said:

In either version of the movie, no one cares or talks much about the destruction of the Republic capital.

Which makes me believe it was a late addition to the plot (pretty sure it wasn’t Kasdan idea nor a recycled Lucas idea from his treatment, it bears the mark of JJ Super 8 Abrams). For instance no one says “we’ve tracked where the energy source came from, so we know where SKB is”. So indeed it’s implied that Finn provides the knowledge and the location of SKB. Problem solved !

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Hal 9000 said:

If I mention SKB in the crawl, it will be important to me to imply it’s unknown by anyone else.

Little does the New Republic know that the FIRST ORDER has built a third Death Star using Galen Erso’s draft notebook abandoned ideas…

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lol, maybe the crawl should be mostly, “They’ve somehow built a hyperlightspeed weapon built within a planet itself. Not a laser canon, but something on a scale difficult to describe. Not another Death Star, but STARKILLER BASE. It’s big.”

But seriously, here’s what I’m thinking, though I hope to find something somewhere explaining why the filmmakers chose to exclude SKB entirely from Act 1:

Episode VII
THE FORCE AWAKENS

Luke Skywalker has vanished. In his absence, the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen from the ashes of the Empire, along with a secret weapon to secure their return to power.

Failing to convince the New Republic of this emerging threat, General Leia Organa mobilizes a covert RESISTANCE to gather allies from the farthest reaches of the galaxy.

Desperate for her brother’s help, Leia has sent her most trusted pilot on a daring mission to Jakku, where a clue has been discovered to Luke’s whereabouts…

My stance on revising fan edits.

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Hal 9000 said:

Episode VII
THE FORCE AWAKENS

Luke Skywalker has vanished. In his absence, the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen from the ashes of the Empire, along with a secret weapon to secure their return to power.

Failing to convince the New Republic of this emerging threat, General Leia Organa mobilizes a covert RESISTANCE to gather allies from the farthest reaches of the galaxy.

Desperate for her brother’s help, Leia has sent her most trusted pilot on a daring mission to Jakku, where a clue has been discovered to Luke’s whereabouts…

I mostly like this, but…

“… along with a secret weapon to secure their return to power.
Failing to convince the New Republic of this emerging threat …”

Implying that Leia knows about SKB and is telling the New Republic? Hmm.

“General Leia Organa mobilizes a covert RESISTANCE to gather allies from the farthest reaches of the galaxy.”

Mobilizes a resistance to gather allies. I feel like these are variations of the same thing (get people together to oppose the First Order). Maybe something along the lines of “General Leia Organa gathers allies from the farthest reaches of the galaxy to form a covert RESISTANCE.”

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How’s this? Might be a good middle ground between “The FIRST ORDER is planning a muwhahaha doomsday device” and not mentioning their specific goals at all:

Episode VII
THE FORCE AWAKENS

Luke Skywalker has vanished. In his absence, the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen in secret from the ashes of the Empire, plotting their return to power.

Failing to convince the New Republic to combat this emerging threat, General Leia Organa gathers allies from the farthest reaches of the galaxy to form a covert RESISTANCE.

Desperate for her brother’s help, Leia has sent her most trusted pilot on a daring mission to Jakku, where a clue has been discovered to Luke’s whereabouts…

My stance on revising fan edits.

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Hal i trust your judgement and imo i dont think its necessary. i think it depends who u are trying to cater this edit too, poeple who have seen it vs people who havent… u could always make a dvd version with the option :\ haha

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Damn, I liked the first version of your new crawl and then Sir Ridley came along and pointed out that it was implying that Leia knows about SKB… This is a good point though since your second paragraph bascially makes it impossible to mention SKB in the first one. Not sure what to do about this since I don’t want to loose your second paragraph^^

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Yeah, I think that you would need to mention the SKB in the final paragraph or not at all to make sense of Leia’s knowledge of the situation.

In somewhat related news, I’ve made a version of the music only SKB destruction that isn’t music only!
https://vimeo.com/201158969
Password: sound

Most of the sound is recreated, and I went ahead and took out the crowd cheer at the end.

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That’s really not bad. I have the theatrical burned into me ears, but otherwise I’m sure it’d be fine. The thing I would miss if I use it would be the specific sound design of the base as it’s getting ready to explode.

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If I didn’t know the vanilla sounds, I’d probably say that this is pretty much perfect. But as you said yourself, the implosion sounds for SKBs destruction would be better. Everything else is great though.

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One last suggestion:

Episode VII
THE FORCE AWAKENS

Luke Skywalker has vanished. In his absence, the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen from the ashes of the Empire.

Failing to convince the New Republic of this emerging threat, General Leia Organa mobilizes a brave RESISTANCE as the First Order prepares a secret weapon that will secure their return to power.

Desperate for her brother’s help, Leia has sent her most trusted pilot on a daring mission to Jakku, where a clue has been discovered to Luke’s whereabouts…

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Yet another iteration of the crawl:

Luke Skywalker, last of the
mystic guardians of peace
in the galaxy, has vanished.
In his absence, the sinister
First Order has risen from
the ashes of the Empire.

His sister, General Leia
Organa, has failed to
convince the Republic of
this new threat, even as
the First Order hastens
to complete a secret weapon
that will strike at the
Republic’s very heart.

Desperate for her brother’s
help, Leia mobilizes a
covert RESISTANCE and sends
her bravest pilot on a mission
to Jakku, where a clue has been
discovered to the whereabouts
of the last Jedi. . . .

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