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Let’s hope that they do follow that route. True, it’s always about money.
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Also the original was included in a bundle purchase with the other 5, so I don’t think Disney/Fox cooperation is a huge issue.
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Although Disney was apparently not allowed to distribute the digital ANH in their own bundles, instead offering only the other 5. So it sounds like the deal wasn’t completely amicable, but I have no idea how these kinds of decisions work.
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That is interesting. It’s not part of Disney movies everywhere. I imagine that’s a little more complicated than simply Amazon or iTunes (or physical) sales though.
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Fox and Marvel have had issues. There was the Fantastic Four thing, where Fox made a crappy movie to keep the rights and won’t do a Sony. Marvel wanted the film rights to certain parts of the FF4 mythos: Silver Surfer, Galactus and Doom. That could cause bad blood between Fox and other Disney companies.
It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher
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Yeah, but Fox doesn’t have those options with Star Wars. Cooperation is the only way for them to make money. And I think Disney knows that they’ll make more money now, with a release in the 40th, going into Ep. VIII, than they will if they wait for 2020 to get the distro rights. Those aren’t really worth that much to the Mouse AFAIK.
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Let’s hope Fox can work with Disney and not be cry babies about it, and release an amazing OUT trilogy box set.
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That is interesting. It’s not part of Disney movies everywhere. I imagine that’s a little more complicated than simply Amazon or iTunes (or physical) sales though.
It’s not part of Disney movies everywhere because it isn’t Disney’s to distribute.
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That is interesting. It’s not part of Disney movies everywhere. I imagine that’s a little more complicated than simply Amazon or iTunes (or physical) sales though.
It’s not part of Disney movies everywhere because it isn’t Disney’s to distribute.
Right. I’m just saying that’s what Sougouk must mean. I don’t think it’s a sign of any bad blood between Fox and Disney. Rather, the apparent cooperation of the digital download release through other outlets and the existence of the six-film collection is actually a sign of at least minimal cooperation.
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We just had this same conversation in the Rogue One spoilers thread. I believe Fox/Disney will be able to make a deal in the future based on the deals they’ve already made to distribute the 2011 cut of the original film.
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We just had this same conversation in the Rogue One spoilers thread. I believe Fox/Disney will be able to make a deal in the future based on the deals they’ve already made to distribute the 2011 cut of the original film.
I don’t think that the distribution of the movies themselves is the problem, it’s just whether or not Disney/Lucasfilm would want to spend the money to restore the OT when they won’t be getting the full cut of the profits. Fox would actually have an interest in paying for the restoration of Star Wars while Disney has more interest in restoring Empire and Jedi.
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Wait, back up a little. TFA was mastered in 2K? Wasn’t it screened at 4K? Was the DCP an upscale?
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Wait, back up a little. TFA was mastered in 2K? Wasn’t it screened at 4K? Was the DCP an upscale?
According to IMDB, it actually is 4K. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2488496/technical
I was misled by this article, which says 2k http://redvdit.com/reviews/star-wars-force-awakens-blu-ray-review/
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Wait, back up a little. TFA was mastered in 2K? Wasn’t it screened at 4K? Was the DCP an upscale?
According to IMDB, it actually is 4K. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2488496/technical
I was misled by this article, which says 2k http://redvdit.com/reviews/star-wars-force-awakens-blu-ray-review/
Well, IMDB is not a good source, either. I have no idea what resolution it was screened or edited in, but I had read recently that the editing was done in 2K. shrug
As for the Disney/Fox thing, I don’t think that would hold them back much for SW/ANH. If it’s likely that Fox would never let the first film go, it seems that the best thing for Disney to do would be to give in and accept whatever percentage Fox gets for that film, and go ahead and wait until the distribution rights change over before releasing V and VI (and new sets including the prequels). Assuming that releasing the OOT is something they have interest in, I’m not sure they would let some losses in IV’s profits (what kind of cut does the distributor get?) hold them back from making money on the full set.
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I agree towne.
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I can’t imagine any blockbusters these days getting finished in 2K, let alone a Star Wars film.
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Maybe there was a K shortage.
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I can’t imagine any blockbusters these days getting finished in 2K, let alone a Star Wars film.
Most movies are finished and screened in 2k. It’s crazy.
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I can’t imagine any blockbusters these days getting finished in 2K, let alone a Star Wars film.
Most movies are finished and screened in 2k. It’s crazy.
It’s probably to save money on storage.
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Gotta save a couple thousand bucks on storage for a product that will bring in billions, and continue to make money on near-future AV setups (well, not even near future in this case. Present).
Not doubting that it’s a real consideration in their decision making. Just laughing at how stupid it is. 😃
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Doug Trumbull beautifully illuminated the main cause of the problem when Scott Wilkinson interviewed him on Home Theater Geeks a year or so ago.
The problem doesn’t have to do with saving storage space (at least I don’t think it does). Rather it’s the fact that rendering 4k vfx shots on these big tentpole films where you have a ton of effects shots - most of the shots in the entire movie, in fact - is more expensive than simply settling for 2k. The studios also love to bid these effects houses against each other knowing they will give the lowest possible rate out of fear of losing the job to another company. When most of the finished shots in your movie are stuck at 2k, there’s little point in doing a 4k DI.
From what Harmy was saying earlier in the thread, this might’ve changed in the last year or so. I remember hearing as far back as three years ago that the vfx work on Hunger Games: Catching Fire was all in 4k. Same goes for Interstellar a year later, although this one makes a little more sense since Nolan always finishes his movies photochemically and likes to do as much “for real” and in camera as he can.
As said, imdb is not the best source for DI info. TFA had more vfx shots than TPM. If they were only finished in 2k, I’d say the movie is effectively stuck at thay res.
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A lot of work is still being done in 2K - the Hobbit trilogy had a 2K DI for example, despite the live action being shot 5K.
But quite honestly, you’d be seriously hard-pressed to be able to see the difference between native 4K and a good 2K upscale, especially when the footage was shot 4K or higher (and I’m speaking from industry insider experience) and the difference in rendering times between 2K and 4K is immense.
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Very True.
I think people get way too hung up on the SE’s vfx being “only” 2k when that’s still the case for movies being made almost two decades later.
The same podcast where I heard that info about Catching Fire and Interstellar (fxguide, if anyone’s wondering) also did an interview with Lola where they talked about The Vision in Avengers: Age of Ultron. When the host asked what res they were working at, he very specifically said 3.4k, which happens to be the same res the movie was shot at. Granted, they didn’t handle all of the effects shots in the movie, but I wonder why they would bother if it was just gonna get finished at 2k.
For what it’s worth, imdb lists it as a 2k finish. I can’t help but wonder if there are 3.4k files of the finished movie sitting somewhere at Disney just waiting for a 4k HDR grade.
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Zombie said a long time ago in this thread that he heard from within Lucasfilm that they had been in the process of digitally scanning and archiving every single solitary piece of film from the Star Wars series, and that’s why there were so many deleted scenes and old-school documentaries on the blu ray box set. It makes me wonder to what extent some of the work regarding an OT restoration was already done when Disney bought Lucas out. I have a feeling that the 4K Star Wars restoration that apparently started under Lucas was going to have more changes than the bluray we got ended up having.
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But a few months ago Gareth Edwards had to grab the alternate takes of Rebel pilots to have them scanned for use in R1. If they had already digitally archived them all, it would have been something he’d already have had at his disposal.
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