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thejediknighthusezni
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Date created
10-Jan-2017, 11:55 PM

thejediknighthusezni said:

thejediknighthusezni said:

Jeebus said:

ferris209 said:

Jay said:

ferris209 said:

Jay said:

ferris209 said:

Warbler said:

ferris209 said:

Warbler said:

12 days till doomsday.

Just curious, what exactly do you expect will happen when Trump is sworn in? “Doomsday” insinuates mass death, anarchy, lawlessness. I’m pretty sure it will be business as usual and everybody will go about their lives.

I expect a crazy bigoted, sexist, bully to take control of our government and our nukes.

Okay. Obama is a crazy, hateful, conceited, bully but you’ve been pretty cool with him.

Ignoring Warb’s condemnation of Trump for a second…Obama is a crazy, hateful, conceited bully? Really? That’s an accurate assessment of the man and his personality?

From my point of view, yes. Yes, very much.

I could go as far as smug and even conceited, but I’d be interested to know what actions of his demonstrate his craziness and hatefulness to you.

He has been very hateful of cops, from day one. All of his speech and rhetoric is hateful of cops. He is very hateful of conservatives, he’s proven this time and again. I personally think he is crazy just because of his radical allegiance to a failed ideology. Socialism doesn’t work, history has proven has much yet he and his keep wanting it.

Think of Socialism like a spectrum; on the far left is things like minimum wage, work hours, and the banning of child labor. On the far right is things like abolishing private ownership entirely. The things on the left have worked, and continue to work, the things on the right haven’t.

That really muddles things, imo. Reasonable regulation of the market does not fall under “socialism”.

Socialism is the means of production of goods and services being placed under the control of the political authorities in the name of “The People”. Economic Fascism, nationalist and globalist, is the political authorities exercising control through nominally “private” owners mixed with outright state ownership. It is, in fact, a thoroughly leftist socialist totalitarian sort of system. Hitler and Mussolini were sincere and accurate in identifying themselves as socialists.

Thing is, there are TWO political spectrums, the Ideological(horizontal) and the Actual(vertical).

The purpose of politics is to actually bring a people to optimum conditions and actually protect them from the tyranny of men. This means that ‘The Human Optimum’ belongs at the top and totalitarianism at the bottom of the Actual spectrum.

Complete socialism(Communism) is on the left and oligarchy of private interests who control the politics for themselves belongs on the right of the ideological spectrum.

At the center of both spectrums are the people who want to find their way to The Optimum. In the U.S. context, these are American conservatives and independents with conservative values.

Imagine a sheer cliff with many people trying to climb across the face in various directions.

                          THE HUMAN OPTIMUM

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DEGREES OF PRIVATE OLIGARCHY- CONSERVATIVES - ECONOMIC FASCISM, SOCIALISM, COMMUNISM
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                             TOTALITARIANISM

Ideologically, the conservatives want to go up, the lefties WANT to go down, and private oligarchies want to go off to more of that.

I left out Anarcho-Capitalists(Libertarians) and revolutionary Anarcho-socialists(what Bolshevism was supposed to be.)

Anarcho-socialists believe that everyone should leap off the cliff and swan-dive into the shark infested sea of totalitarianism pretending to believe the theory that they will somehow come shooting back out and rise to a preposterous version of the optimum that will have no private property and everyone equal in every way.

There are TWO forms of Libertarianism, Theoretical and Imposable. Theoretical is an intellectual exercise to determine the outer limits of what is possible. Like engineers do to prototype aircraft, it’s a hypothetical Destruction Test. I count myself very much a Libertarian in that sense.

Imposable kook Libertarians are ideologues who insist it’s all ready for prime time. They believe we should leap away from the cliff upwards to an optimum that cannot be sustained having inadequate social and legal containment. It will inevitably arc over and plunge into the brutish totalitarian sea.

This is why the “Progressive” media has promoted Ayn Rand to serve as an ‘Immanuella Goldstein’ for a controlled opposition. Like Goldstein, she was an excellent analyst of the Left. In the process, she drew everyone into Cultural Marxism and societal destruction from libertine savagery and drugs together with indefensibility of the nation and society topping it off with disrepute from the championing of rampant Private Oligarchy.

I write this as someone who has read the unabridged version of ATLAS SHRUGGED and LIKED IT!