Any of the Harry Potter movies might've been contenders if WB hadn't been determined to turn the entire franchise into mere revenue-generating shlock.
As it stands, I'd suggest the first Matrix film.
The difference is that the storytelling in the prequels is shot straight to hell. All the careful editing in the world can't save scenes that are filled to overflowing with non-sequitur dialogue. Pay attention to those scenes some time, the stuff people say is often followed up by completely illogical replies.
If Abrams (or someone else) must deal with the prequels at all, I'd actually prefer a reboot of them.
It's weird but ESB arguably benefits the most from the changes because there are relatively few of them. The Falcon landing at Cloud City was done very well. I find it hard to believe Lucas couldn't have done something like this back in 1980 though as it's basically a model with a matte painted background.
Nothing has so far benefited ROTJ. Every single change has little or no redeeming value. The new closing music is okay but the glimpse of other planets makes me wonder if Luke tweeted the Emperor's death or something because those celebrations sure came together quickly. Hayden as Anakin's ghosts, Jedi Rocks, "No... Noooooooooo!", they're all retarded.
Not sure I agree. I suspect fans would have gotten on board with them had they been more competently made in terms of storytelling and structure. I'm not as willing to excuse Lucas about this as I used to be. After a while, one has to start thinking the problems are at least partly his fault.imperialscum said:
PT ruins a lot of things, even if it is watched in correct order (that is after OT).
In my opinion, the whole idea of direct prequels is stupid. When you watch OT your imagination makes a picture of what happened before (for example when Obi-Wan is telling Luke about the past). Then the prequels are going to compete with that imagination and people will be disappointed, naturally. Not to mention PT trying explain stuff from OT and ruining things (midichlorians crap etc.)
Not to sound like a prequel apologist but Lucas saying in 1981 that Yoda (who had only been realized as a puppet up to then) is only a teacher shouldn't be binding. That doesn't necessarily make a warrior Yoda a good idea but his remarks back then shouldn't be taken as gospel.
Did you somehow miss me shit-talking him?georgec said:
Nobody has thoughts on Jonathan Rhys Meyers? News is heating up:
<a href="http://www.hitfix.com/news/is-jonathan-rhys-meyers-going-to-star-in-star-wars-episode-vii" target="_blank" title="www.hitfix.com/news/is-jonathan-rhys-meyers-going-to-star-in-star-wars-episode-vii">http://www.hitfix.com/news/is-jonathan-rhys-meyers-going-to-star-in-star-wars-episode-vii</a>
<a href="http://thefilmstage.com/news/jonathan-rhys-meyers-circles-star-wars-episode-vii" target="_blank" title="thefilmstage.com/news/jonathan-rhys-meyers-circles-star-wars-episode-vii">http://thefilmstage.com/news/jonathan-rhys-meyers-circles-star-wars-episode-vii</a>
<a href="http://www.totalfilm.com/news/rumour-jonathan-rhys-meyers-in-talks-for-star-wars-episode-vii" target="_blank" title="www.totalfilm.com/news/rumour-jonathan-rhys-meyers-in-talks-for-star-wars-episode-vii">http://www.totalfilm.com/news/rumour-jonathan-rhys-meyers-in-talks-for-star-wars-episode-vii</a>
<a href="http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=104510" target="_blank" title="www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=104510">http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=104510</a>
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/20/jonathan-rhys-meyers-rumored-for-star-wars-episode-vii-role
And Latino Review is almost always spot on with their scoops.
^ No good, Han still needs to shave his chest.
Just wanted to reiterate this now that Jonathan Rhys Meyers' name is floating around.thecolorsblend said:
You don't need to (and shouldn't) assign an episode number to the adventures of some CW pretty boy pretending to be a Jedi. If that's Disney's game plan, they can do idiotic crap like that in one of the standalone movies.
That's actually a very good point. It's not like Lucas has ever embellished (or been completely full of shit about) what his "original intentions" were so I'm sure this is completely trustworthy.CP3S said:
If they really tried, I am sure they could make a decent future Star Wars storyline that isn't about just "some kid" or a "CW pretty boy". Everybody seems fine with the CW pretty boys of the new Star Trek. And introducing a new young cast worked great for Battlestar Galactica, even if they did give some of them the names of characters from the original show. If George is to be believed, his intention for VII - IX was to pass the torch as far back as when The Empire Strikes Back was made.
You don't need to (and shouldn't) assign an episode number to the adventures of some CW pretty boy pretending to be a Jedi. If that's Disney's game plan, they can do idiotic crap like that in one of the standalone movies.CP3S said:
thecolorsblend said:
I hope to God that isn't the case. I personally could give a shit about young Jedi, Leia and Han's children or whatever else. Just bring back the core three and make it their story again.
1999 might have been an okay time to start a project like that, Mark and Harrison weren't looking their worst at that time (sorry Carrie, can't say the same for you), but 14 years in the future, time has caught up to them. I know they can work all kinds of magic on them, but I still don't think that is a movie anyone really wants to see. The ship has sailed for our old heroes. Still, it'll be cool to see them play a role in the new film.
I hope to God that isn't the case. I personally could give a shit about young Jedi, Leia and Han's children or whatever else. Just bring back the core three and make it their story again.skyjedi2005 said:
The basic plot has been done and given the ok a while ago. Probably even before the sale of LFL was made public.
How many drafts it takes to get an actual shooting script from that same story is a good question though.
In the interim the big three could be written out if they refuse to come on board or are difficult in negotiations.
They appear to not be important to the plot and are just window dressing.
The story obviously will be centered around the younger actors who will be playing their kids. Whether they are young adults like in their 20's or teenagers has not yet been said. Nor who will play them or even their names.
Can we get a reup of these? I was wanting to switch my Faces covers with something else and I like the retro feel of these.ChainsawAsh said:
Alright, here are the covers, finished, without the "special features" section:
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/chainsawash/SWver3.jpg" border="0" />
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/chainsawash/ESBver2.jpg" border="0" />
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/chainsawash/ROTJver2.jpg" border="0" />
I decided against the Special Features section because it didn't quite look right, plus it wasn't on the VHS sleeve anyway. It wouldn't be hard for someone to add if they wanted to.
Here's the RapidShare download link - one ZIP file containing the full-res JPEGs of all three covers:
<p style="padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 3px; margin-top: 3px; font-size: 9pt;"><a href="http://rapidshare.com/files/219367632/Star_Wars_covers.zip</a>]http://rapidshare.com/files/219367632/Star_Wars_covers.zip">http://rapidshare.com/files/219367632/Star_Wars_covers.zip</a>[/url]
<p style="padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 3px; margin-top: 3px; font-size: 9pt;">
<p style="padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 3px; margin-top: 3px; font-size: 9pt;">I'll post a similar link for my Indiana Jones covers if anyone's interested (you can find the "thumbnails" for those on page 150).
Nobody puts together an action sequence the way Lucas does. It's his niche. Let him handle that stuff.
It's the meal between first dinner and breakfast.Warbler said:
*sigh*
btw, what the heck is second dinner???
Headed out a while ago to pick up a cheeseburger for Second Dinner. On the way out, I noticed one of my neighbors is having a huge party. Lots of people running around acting like idiots, being loud and making a nuisance. They were even louder and more obnoxious by the time I came back home. By this point, their communal driveway was completely blocked up and people were shouting and acting a fool.
Originally, I wasn't going to bother about it. They're not hurting anybody. No big deal. But as I turned in to my own driveway, I saw a few Obama/Biden 2012 bumper stickers.
So I called Klein PD.
After the deputy showed up, at least one car (with an Obama bumper sticker!!) ended up getting towed away.
Yes, if those had been Romney/Ryan bumper stickers, I would've let it go. But based purely on political affiliation and no other criteria, I decided to call the police.
More 52%'ers whose vote cost them something. It's not much but it adds up.
Why did I do it? Because I'm a mean, coldhearted bastard and I hate lefties, THAT'S why!
There's another Fast & the Furious sequel coming out. Who the hell keeps watching these horrible movies? And can we ship them off to Siberia or something? That used to work for lefties.
Okay, here's one.
EDIT- Link deleted because YouTube blocked the video worldwide.
What hits me is how well that track fits the arena sequence... up to a point, at which time I guess Lucas started screwing around either with the timing of the cuts, the sequence of them or other things.
Yes, it is supposed to be silent at first. The music comes in eventually.
Working to put some stuff together right now. I originally made these things just for me so there's probably not going to be a Torrent for this... unless someone feels like making one from my Live Moviemaker files anyway.
One thing that's become abundantly clear through this thing is that the trademark Lucas boner for nonstop tweaking isn't exclusive to the SE's. When these edits cut like butter, it's obvious that Lucas left well enough alone after Williams did the score. But when they don't, it's equally apparent that Lucas fiddle-fucked these scenes into absolute oblivion in the editing room after Williams had finished his work. I now have a fresh appreciation for all the complaints people have about the use of music in these films. It's tough to say which movie's score Lucas screwed over the worst in this respect.
I should add that my intention isn't to "fix" these films so much as remove the most flagrant problems (ie, the storytelling and the dialogue). But one editorial change I did make concerns the love story in Episode 2. There's no "conflict" over it. They get together, end of love story. In fact, I did all in my power to imply that Anakin and Padme bumped uglies on Naboo in the "Across the Stars" video.
Hey, I’ve grown more and more disenchanted with the prequels over time, but especially since the Episode 1 re-release from a while back. Still, I think the prequels have several redeeming virtues. Specifically, the music and the visuals.
Related to that, I’m starting to think the prequels work best only in vague, abstract terms. Any attempt to define the trilogy’s back story is ultimately destined for disappointment, I think.
Because of this stuff, and because Lucas has said again and again, that his films work best as “silent films” where the music and the visuals carry the majority of the story, I thought it might be worthwhile to throw prequel footage together set to music but with all other sound stripped out. The results have been kind of interesting. The themes and story points come across as clearly as they can under the circumstances but it’s been really amazing to watch the movies without getting bogged down in George’s trademark overly lyrical dialogue, his boner for deleting all exposition from his scripts, midichlorians, Jar Jar, all that stuff.
It doesn’t work perfectly for all of the movies (especially significant chunks of Attack of the Clones) but it’s better than I would’ve thought at first blush. But this isn’t really a “fan edit” in my mind. Still, were I to toss this stuff on YouTube or Vimeo, would any of you be the least bit interested?
Also, I realize other people have done “silent movie” editions as well. But I think they mostly combined all three prequels into one movie and they also went for some kind of black and white approach. What I’ve done is stick with the original DVD video but only put in music. So this is slightly different from what those other editors are up to.
Internet Feature Writing- "Hey, you know that thing you guys have all loved for years, has changed the face of entertainment and mass culture in America and has endured for decades? It'll be my pleasure to tell you why it sucks. You can trust an expert like me even though I've never produced films of my own. After all, I have my own web page."
Why do you have to adjust the credits at all? Why not just leave them alone?
So he was in high school from 1997 until 2005? Yay eight year plan!nightstalkerpoet said:
My assumption here would be the 97 SE theatrical run, followed shortly thereafter by the prequels?
Owen had to raise Luke. It's no stretch that he had some idea of what happened to Anakin. That could have been more than enough for him to conclude that Anakin might have been better off if he'd stayed on Tatooine. And being as Owen knows beyond any shadow of a doubt that it was Obi-Wan who called Anakin away after Shmi's funeral...
That's a hard thing to convince people of. The affections for that movie, score and actor long ago degenerated into something resembling a cult.DuracellEnergizer said:
You do realize the Williams' theme isn't the only (or the first, for that matter) Superman theme ever written, right?