doubleofive

Director said:

doubleofive said:

I’ve been trying to think of a way to be positive about these edits, but I’m not sure I can. I don’t understand the reason behind making a re-Specialized GOUT, and the final product jumps around in quality so much that it’s distracting. Every SE shot re-inserted does not blend in in the slightest. There’s nothing this edit does that couldn’t just be met by watching any of the existing preservations of the 1997 Laserdisc.

I mean, if you’re doing this as an exercise to learn how to edit, good for you. But you don’t need to set release dates for this or try to build hype. You can share them if you want, but this project might work best as a personal project for you.

I don’t do this for any of the reasons you potentially wondered. even I myself realised that the master I used is not from an original reel only AFTER the restorations were finished, and by that point, delaying the restorations with months again would have just caused more debates and controversy. I consider the new restorations an unfortunate mistake caused by unclear sources on the master’s part. in the future I will resort to actual direct reels, and using 4k97 projects more is an option, although hard to accomplish, after I have been banned from the forums they are in and the colours in those restorations are really hard to fix to match the actual release.

So now the goal is to take 4K77 and reinsert the (hundreds of) changed shots from 4K97, then present it at 480p? Personally, I would just color correct 4K97 or the Laserdisc to my liking, as the inserts are always going to be rough and even following my gallery would still miss changes. If this is just a matter of not having a Laserdisc preservation, I can get you the Laserdisc.

I’ve been trying to think of a way to be positive about these edits, but I’m not sure I can. I don’t understand the reason behind making a re-Specialized GOUT, and the final product jumps around in quality so much that it’s distracting. Every SE shot re-inserted does not blend in in the slightest. There’s nothing this edit does that couldn’t just be met by watching any of the existing preservations of the 1997 Laserdisc.

I mean, if you’re doing this as an exercise to learn how to edit, good for you. But you don’t need to set release dates for this or try to build hype. You can share them if you want, but this project might work best as a personal project for you.

NeverarGreat said:

My point with all of this is that nobody should be using the 2011 BD to weight their opinions of how Star Wars should look.

But, but, it was the only home video release personally overseen by Lucas! LOL

Correct, this is crossing the line, which must be why the shots were flipped to begin with. As much as I admire the effort, I think fixing mistakes while also violating film language isn’t advisable.

O00ll00O said:

I can’t remember if there was some controversy about adding the battle droid to the junk pile a while back, but I personally like it.

You have to remember that “The Clone Wars” hadn’t even come out when the SD version was released, a lot of things have changed since then. LOL

I’m going to go out on a limb and assume Ady isn’t going to start the project over for the third time.

Bingowings said:

Looks like this time it’s happening. https://kotaku.com/star-wars-original-theatrical-cut-4k-restoration-leaks-screenshot-disney-2027-2000638887

Here’s hoping!

Fang Zei said:

JadedSkywalker said:

doubleofive said:

JadedSkywalker said:

Verboten said:

It’s darkly amusing to me that I’m already reading stuff about this release, like re-composited effects shots and alternate dialogue takes, that means it won’t pass some peoples’ purity test.

Yeah. The Indiana Jones 4K was recomposited according to Damn Fool Idealistic Crusader.

I started a VisComp, Indy was not recomposited, the bluescreen elements have been rotoscoped from the final composite and stretched and warped to cover up the matte lines. It’s hilarious in A/B comparisons.

That’s not what we’re seeing here.

I stand corrected. So What they cgi rotocoped them? It’s like having to play Columbo.

I want to say that might have been a Paramount decision and not George or Steven.

They also made a couple fixes to the theatrical version of Star Trek: The Motion Picture, which was completely needless when there was an entirely separate version being prepared in 4k for that exact reason.

It’s surely the same Paramount team that felt like they needed to “fix” the theatrical TMP. Using the cleanup tools they had on hand to make VFX decisions to fix “mistakes”, and not doing very well at it.

JadedSkywalker said:

Verboten said:

It’s darkly amusing to me that I’m already reading stuff about this release, like re-composited effects shots and alternate dialogue takes, that means it won’t pass some peoples’ purity test.

Yeah. The Indiana Jones 4K was recomposited according to Damn Fool Idealistic Crusader.

I started a VisComp, Indy was not recomposited, the bluescreen elements have been rotoscoped from the final composite and stretched and warped to cover up the matte lines. It’s hilarious in A/B comparisons.

That’s not what we’re seeing here.

Director said:

doubleofive said:

Noticing a lot of your VFX shots aren’t from the 97SE, but from the theatrical! Just in case you wanted to fix them.

they are from the Special Edition as far as I know. at least the master said “SE” in the filename. unless it’s a reconstruction.

I think it’s a reconstruction. It looks like the 2006 bonus disc for the most part, but it’s missing small changes. If it makes you happy, go for it, but it’s probably not going to be useful for many others here. I’m sorry.

Noticing a lot of your VFX shots aren’t from the 97SE, but from the theatrical! Just in case you wanted to fix them.

Director said:

doubleofive said:

Director said:

The process of restoration has now been finished and the sample reel is available here! https://youtu.be/Pfk8CqXiNVk

I still don’t understand the need for a low quality reconstruction of the 97SE, but if it makes you happy, great!

Which of those shots were from the film scan you have?

I think having it low-quality is good because of two things: one, it adds a sense of nostalgia to the film so you get to like feel the films as the people saw them in 1997. Two, it also saves space in devices, since having all restorations and fanedits be 10GB per film takes a good chunk of computer space.

And as for the question you wrote; most scenes. the scenes that were taken from other sources were the Wampa-scene, the scream of Luke shot, the Death Star near Alderaan shot and the victory celebration ending.

So you cleaned and stabilized all the other shots from a film scan? Wow!

And as someone who saw the movies in theaters, I saw it in much better quality. 😉

Director said:

The process of restoration has now been finished and the sample reel is available here! https://youtu.be/Pfk8CqXiNVk

I still don’t understand the need for a low quality reconstruction of the 97SE, but if it makes you happy, great!

Which of those shots were from the film scan you have?

Thanks for 15 years of comparisons!

https://bsky.app/profile/starwarsviscomp.com/post/3lyd7ypmn7s2f

Director said:

Bobson Dugnutt said:

Director said:

I am using several sources because the colours in most restorations are incorrect.

Incorrect according to what? What are you using as your colour reference that shows every other release as incorrect?

Also, I still don’t believe you that these 2012 Swedish 35mm scans from either 1996 or 1997 or 1998, or whatever year you keep moving them to, are real. Why has no one else heard of them before?

because they are fan made and private? why are you so insisting here?

I think because you’re the only person in the Star Wars community who has access to these scans!

Director said:

doubleofive said:

Director said:

SOURCES

4th film: specific clips from the 1997 home video widescreen release. about 10 minutes in total from what fans call 4k1997_iv. about 5 minutes from Harmy’s respecialised. 10 minutes of 2006 bonus disc footage, and the rest from a fanmade scan.

5th film: 1997 home video widescreen release. nothing from 4k1997_v as the audio is converted to German in my editor. 10 minutes from 2006 bonus disc. 3 minutes of adywan’s reconstruction. the rest from a fanmade scan.

6th film: 30 minutes of 4k1997_vi, 7 minutes of 2006 bonus disc, clips from home video widescreen release, not full, because I can’t find the home video widescreen releases anywhere. the rest from a fanmade scan.

I still don’t understand why you’re using parts of multiple versions of the 97SE, including other respecialized. What is your project doing that the existing projects didn’t accomplish?

I am using several sources because the colours in most restorations are incorrect.

You could color grade whichever source you prefer to look the way you want without pulling entire sequences from mismatched quality sources, though.

Director said:

SOURCES

4th film: specific clips from the 1997 home video widescreen release. about 10 minutes in total from what fans call 4k1997_iv. about 5 minutes from Harmy’s respecialised. 10 minutes of 2006 bonus disc footage, and the rest from a fanmade scan.

5th film: 1997 home video widescreen release. nothing from 4k1997_v as the audio is converted to German in my editor. 10 minutes from 2006 bonus disc. 3 minutes of adywan’s reconstruction. the rest from a fanmade scan.

6th film: 30 minutes of 4k1997_vi, 7 minutes of 2006 bonus disc, clips from home video widescreen release, not full, because I can’t find the home video widescreen releases anywhere. the rest from a fanmade scan.

I still don’t understand why you’re using parts of multiple versions of the 97SE, including other respecialized. What is your project doing that the existing projects didn’t accomplish?

Upload a video preview, we’re eager to see what you’re working on! What’s most interesting is what you’re doing to improve on the laserdisc releases you’re already using as sources, when on their own they appear to meet your goal of the “nostalgia” of 480p.

SonnyGFunk said:

Could you actually list the sources you used for this project, please? As per the Site Rules for Fan Projects:-

I’m pretty sure that we established he is using 4K97, but for some reason he is being coy about it.

Well they downscaled it because how could it be better than SD?

fanO.U.Tpreserver4K77 said:

Hello guys, I am new to this forum and recently have been doing a late of research on the original unaltered theatrical versions of Star Wars. I have also downloaded the Puggo Grande trilogy as an MP4 and I have watched it on my iMac’s QuickTime Player. I have enjoyed watching the trilogy however it kind of really upsets me how they’re only in a 480p video quality. I got the idea that I could use sowtware and programs such as iMovie, DaVinci Resolve Studios, etc. to upscale the videos to 4K or even 8K if possible and use the upscales as digital high quality raw print scans to create my own preservation. I own the 2019 digital Blu-Ray version of the trilogy and the 1997 Special Edition Fullscreen VHS tapes that are almost in mint condition. I also plan to by getting a copy of the 1995 VHS tapes boxset. I have been inspired by old post made by Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda, team_negative1, Harmy, Laserman, Zion, etc. I plan to make this fan preservation the same quality as, if possible better than, Harmy’s Despecialized Edition. This is a dream come true for me, however in order to do this it’s going to take a lot of money, I estimate $200,000 give or take. First I need to get 12TB iCloud+ since I’m going to be doing this on my iMac. Not to mention expensive of the shelf software. When I finishing the preservation (If I even do it, life is hard) I plan on buying a PC and transferring the preservation there and upscale it again. I plan on starting this project asap. However, I will need a lot of help and money to do this. If anybody has any helpful advice please let me know, thank you. Also if anybody has a new mint condition copy of the 1995 Star Wars VHS tapes boxset, please lot me know.

I… what? No. That’s not how anything works.

This is still happening? Has anyone actually downloaded these to even see what they are?

I tried to do that for Revisited once, but I didn’t realize how much work pan and scan actually is. I imagine it’s something that can be automated now, but I have enough projects.

I can… try to do a read through of the script if you’d like! LOL

ThiscouldbeR2D2 said:

There is a subtle change made to R2 in this shot in the 2019 transfer, in case you didn’t know. Will you be using it for ANH:R HD? I know it’s not much of a change, but it’s still a change.

https://i.ibb.co/hxsCs4gL/IMG-1239.png

Probably a “fix” more than a “change”, I’m sure Ady would have done the same himself.

I have logged it for examination for VisComps.

asterisk8 said:

ThiscouldbeR2D2 said:

That guy with no name said:

ThiscouldbeR2D2 said:

Honestly, I’m starting to get very fearful right now.

What are you talking about? Are you ok?

Sorry, I just feel extremely worried about all these things that kept getting in the way of the Revisited edits being finished.

Pretty selfish viewpoint, no? Not “I’m worried about adywan” but “I’m worried I won’t get to see Revisited.”

To be fair, it’s entirely possible that Adywan has been working on Revisited for this user’s entire life. 😉