I agree with towne32, even if you don't want to release the films themselves, releasing the script would be a major step forward in allowing other people to do their own thing, and maybe get even better results. Not only with Star Wars, but other films that have not gotten the proper treatment they deserve.
Completely valid question. And in my honest opinion, color matching Team -1s restoration is perfectly valid, and acceptable, as that has the content everyone loves. Color matching the Blu Ray with GOUT colors is also another great option too.
But, the goal of this was never to provide another preservation of the OOT, simply to prove that Super Resolution was a viable up scaling method. Which it most certainly is. Comparisons of V15 and the source are incredible.
I would completely disagree in saying that this whole endeavor was worthless. Lots of people came together, and lots of ideas were thrown around. it even spun off a deep discussion of color matching.
Whatever version of SR you choose, it is still an accomplishment that merits recognition!
DrDre said:
Zyrother said:
Looks awesome! But, can we get a couple screenshot comparisons of V11 and V15? Would help to determine how much of an improvement it is.
Thanks!
Here's a comparison between SRV11 and SRV15 (I've reduced the sharpening somewhat):
Thanks! Looks like there is a bit less noise in the darkest areas. The reduced sharpening helps too.
Awesome work! V15 looks great, and I think most people would be happy with it being the release version.
Looks awesome! But, can we get a couple screenshot comparisons of V11 and V15? Would help to determine how much of an improvement it is.
Thanks!
Intruder said:
I don't want to be impolite, but aren't we getting off topic and this should rather go in the dedicated thread as previously mentioned? Although its name has changed, I think this fits better than here.
There might also be more people who can bring in their opinion.
Agreed
Its important to understand the difference between what a theatrical print would have looked like, versus what it looked like in real life.
Theatrical prints of the era were not true to real life colors and contrast. IE, the overblown whites, crushed blacks, and the 'warm' color palette. A good example of this is the Bu Ray set of The Godfather trilogy. The Blu Ray set was deliberately made to look exactly like the theatrical prints.
So, the color correction here is accurate to the theatrical look, but not to real life.
In the end here, the original goal of determining whether Super Resolution was a viable option in up scaling the GOUT was a tremendous success. Comparing the original screenshots to the chosen V11 script is startling.
It was a community effort and everyone did excellent work! :)
Harmy said:
Can someone please give me a link to the color-matching thread? I don't want to spam this one.
This one? http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Color-matching-between-two-sources/topic/18128/page/5/
@Intruder
Looks pretty good! I can definitely see a bit of additional sharpening in the detail. Its awesome to see what others can do with the same script!
Although I think we can all agree that we have pretty much hit a wall with the GOUT here, I cant imagine more can be squeezed out of it without the use of high end professional grade equipment.
zee944 said:
Zyrother said:
zee944 said:
So after all, the removal of "slowly moving grain" has been canceled? Too much detail loss?
Some of it was removed for V11, but not to the extent of 12-14. Versions 12-14 removed too much detail in the process.
DrDre was working on SRV13 when he said he'll try to eliminate the slowly moving grain...
My mistake, I thought he started with it earlier. Either way, the removal of the grain was detrimental to the recovered detail.
He did post the scripts, so anyone can edit it and do what they wish!
zee944 said:
So after all, the removal of "slowly moving grain" has been canceled? Too much detail loss?
Some of it was removed for V11, but not to the extent of 12-14. Versions 12-14 removed too much detail in the process.
V11 is the best of both worlds. :)
I would agree, SRV11 has my vote now too.
Wow, that is really impressive. Looks very natural.
I have not watched the Blu Ray set, but I assume the consensus was that the colors were over saturated? Or what was the problem regarding the set color wise?
towne32 said:
Zyrother said:
how Jedi would look, since it is the worst looking of the NTSC set.
IIRC it's the only one where the NTSC looks worse than the PAL, but isn't it still in better shape than the other two films?
The aliasing in Jedi is no where near as bad as Star Wars and Empire. Totally forgot about that. Jedi just looks fuzzier than the other 2 to my eyes.
As for the PAL Jedi vs the NTSC Jedi, I have never seen image comparisons. Would like to see how much better the PAL version looks.
DrDre,
Just curious, have you applied any of these recent SR scripts to either Empire or Jedi? I am very curious to see how Jedi would look, since it is the worst looking of the NTSC set.
Thanks
swagmasta69 said:
Possibly a stupid question, but maybe the source for this project should be a direct LD rip? Are any of the other LD versions less compressed than the gout? Perhaps the JSC versions?
Just a thought.
This project was merely to get the best quality out of the GOUT DVDs. It seems to have slipped into another theatrical restoration with these color correction debates.
But to answer your question, yes, the JSC discs would be better. But they have slightly worse color than the DC set. Otherwise, they trump the DC set in every way.
thorr said:
Zyrother said:
Edit: V12 is still my choice, like FrankT said, the haloing is too distracting.
I don't think the haloing is affected in V12. It is there in all versions. I assume you are saying V12 is your favorite because of the better anti-aliasing. I think V11 is better because it has a bit of extra detail and the anti-aliasing is good enough. Maybe we can get the scripts and we can make our own versions. :-)
Yeah, I meant to say V12 was my favorite and V14 had too much haloing.
Though V11 is quite good after taking another look at it. Really hard to choose :P
The Blu Ray pretty much fixed the crushed blacks of the 2004 DVDs.
Detail wise, the Blu ray is the best version, but due to it being the Special Edition, no one cares about it :P.
I think the grain helps in hiding some imperfections. Haloing and aliasing are slightly less obvious when the grain is present.
Its a tough choice. A clean image with more apparent imperfections, or, retain the grain, and hide some of the imperfections.
Edit: V12 is still my choice, like FrankT said, the haloing is too distracting.
If you look back at earlier versions of the SR script, it really made the aliasing standout, and look even worse. But DrDre worked his magic and reduced the aliasing, and was able to keep the detail in later revisions.
NeverarGreat said:
My download inevitably fails after the first 300MB or so, and has for every large file I've tried to download from Google Drive. Have you considered uploading to Mega? Those downloads seem to work for me at least.
May want to try another browser. Chrome always works for me. Firefox should have no trouble either.
Impressive how much grain was removed, excellent work on that!
But, the amount of detail lost is just a bit too much for me, and it makes the aliasing stand out worse. It also looks a bit waxy and unnatural. Almost like a coat of DNR.
My vote is still V12, but I would love to hear what others make of it. :)
Diamond Dogs said:
Hey, Team Negative1.
This is my first post on here, and I was curious about this. Have you guys done or will be doing a restoration of 1977 Star Wars?
Also, what quality is this restoration? 1080p?
They are doing all 3 films.
Granted, the GOUT colors reproduction is not as great, but the amount of detail it has compared to Team -1s frame is stunning. It even has better contrast in some areas.
I agree with towne32, the color palette of the Gout is very good. No, its not what the theatrical prints looked like, but, the goal of this upscale is not to mimic the theatrical look.
The only thing I think the Gout needs, besides the obvious detail enhancement, is some minor contrast and brightness correction. Black levels are quite poor.
Excellent work anyway! The matching of the frames is quite impressive.