SirJonah

MalàStrana said:
Just a thought: is it the first time that a digital release (dvd, bluray, etc.) of a SW movie (I don’t count Clone Wars) is going to be the true theatrical version ? No line modified ? No sfx changed ? No wipe redone ? Nothing, no alterations, even minor ones ? This is history !

There aren’t any alterations of the kind you mention, but the end credits are apparently longer by about 3 minutes, compared to the theatrical version. The movie is now 138 minutes long.

I haven’t noticed anything yet that hasn’t already been pointed out, but I just wanted to join the chorus and publicly say thanks, Harmy! Even in this workprint state, the movie looks outstanding – superior to v1.0 in every respect. Well done!

Ah, okay! Well, your last image looks really fantastic, that's for sure! It's amazing how little is lost -- just like your old Peter Cushing example. As you mentioned, the differences are super minor and would be all but invisible at recommended seating distances.

Harmy said:

ONCE AGAIN - the script has nothing to do with the upscaling, it was used for the downscaling - on both this and the first comparison.

Sorry, you're right -- should have paid closer attention to what you were saying. Your releases are 720p anyway. You were using bicubic sharper in the first example, I take it? That's why it has jaggies?

Harmy said:

@Turisu: Actually, the sharpening isn't from the downscale script but rather from the upscaling. Here's a simple bicubic upscale in PS. There is some detail loss off course but it's super minor.

I think the standard bicubic upscale looks markedly better than the image you generated using the script. Whatever was causing his tan shirt collar to look unnaturally jagged is gone now.

Memorex said:

It's great that you finally got it released Harmy! Thanks for your efforts and your seemingly never-ending enthusiasm! Really eager to check it out but a bit on the fence at the moment wheter I should give in to the fresh release or just sit tight like SirJonah suggests ;)

Sorry, "sit tight" was probably the wrong idiom to use. Harmy is going to finish v2.0 of JEDI first before he gets to v2.1 of EMPIRE, so there's no reason to deprive yourself of what's available now. Just download whichever version you like (AVCHD or MKV) and enjoy!

Don't worry, guys. Harmy has something special planned for v2.1/2.5 that will eliminate the need to error check the credits. So just sit tight, a superior version is coming!

Harmy said:

Well, crap - I must have forgotten to add the information about the '93 track in when I was switching out the GOUT track I already had for the file h_h sent me. I guess I will re-upload it but if you've already got it, I'd recommend simply putting it trough MKV Merge and adding the info yourselves, rather than re-downloading. It may be prudent though to take down the spleen torrent for now - I should have the fixed version up on uloz.to within an hour or so.

I will also change DTS-HD to DTS-HD MA and I will add the request for help with Project 3P0 to the readme.

Is there anything else I could fix, while I'm at it?

 Sent you a PM.

Harmy, sent you a PM!

Infinity said:

Beber said:

Can't wait for the mkv, I can't remux this one either...

 Glad I'm not the only one. Also can't remux SW 2.5 for some reason. Never had this issue with Harmy's older AVCHDs.

I couldn't either. What I did with both SW 2.5 and this is to drag the playlist file onto tsMuxeR (to preserve the chapters), deselect whatever streams you don't want and choose TS Muxing as the output. Works fine in XBMC.

Yeah, some of these are very subtle. It's hard for any one person to notice everything -- it's only this kind of group effort that makes things perfect.

So, fingers crossed, but I'm fairly confident that virtually all the lingering issues have been found (10 total mistakes fixed since last night). I also corrected some lines whose vertical placement looked a little off, modified the RSO logo so the bull's head was angled down more to match the GOUT and negative-1 35mm source better, and made the character spacing in "APPROVED" over the MPAA logo tighter.

Harmy, I'll upload the "Fixed 3" PSD right now. Then I suppose after a day or so if no one else spots anything, it'll probably be safe for you to do the final render. Hopefully! ;-)

EDIT:

Wikisend is having some issues with uploading, so I'll try again in an hour.

Thanks Zer0Squared! Though, believe it or not, I just found another mistake. Under Rebel Forces, "Other Officers NORMAN CHANGER" changed(!) to "NORMAN CHANCER." Jesus I'm sloppy!

Little tip: If you drag the GOUT layer to the top you can turn the visibility on and off which makes mistakes a little easier to spot. 

n00b said:

@ Harmy & SirJonah

"JOHN CAMPBELL" instead of "JOHN CAMBELL" (at 3:11)

EDIT:

"Electronic Engineers" instead of "Electronics Engineers" (at 3:49)

"Supervising Stage Technician" instead of "Supervising Stage Technicians" (at 3:53)

Fixed, fixed, and fixed. Thank you! 

OK, assuming I haven't missed anything else. I've uploaded a new PSD and will send you the link via PM, Harmy. Just a second...

Behodar said:

Harmy said:

At the top of the third section it has "Dialoge" instead of "Dialogue". Hopefully that's not too hard to tweak :)

Edit: And 3:34 of the sample posted earlier has "Additional matte Photography", missing its capital M.

Edit Edit: At 3:48, "Acountants" instead of "Accountants".

Well that's embarrassing! Some of this I did very early one morning, looks like I should have been more careful. It's odd that the spell checker in Open Office that I used didn't find most of these problems. Thank you for pointing those out. I'm going to have to go back over my PSD and look for any other errors I may have missed. 

Harmy, I've already fixed these and can send you (or Laserschwert) a new PSD with the fixes if you want me to, unless it's easier for you to fix them with the rasterized image you're using. I'm not sure what would be better at this point (though I had to adjust character spacing for the first and third typos).

EDIT:

Found a 4th typo under Location Second Unit. "Asssistant Directors" changed to "Assistant Directors." Character spacing adjusted.

EDIT 2:

Found a 5th typo under Miniature and Optical Effects. "Minature Pyrotechnics" changed to "Miniature Pyrotechnics." Character spacing adjusted.

EDIT 3:

Found a 6th mistake in the last paragraph. There was a missing comma after "applicable laws." Character spacing adjusted.

That is all I could find going over it once again. Hopefully that's it! I moved RALPH McQUARRIE over and also changed the "TM &" to "TM:" next to the copyright. And my apostrophe's were already closer to what you changed them to.

If anyone sees anything I or Behodar may have missed, please let me know.

BTW, the last two names are under the sound department (just look for Ben Burtt). They are a dialogue editor and a recording technician, respectively.

EDIT:

News Gothic MT, the font I used in the PSD (and included as a .ttf in the zipped folder I uploaded), has an apostrophe that looks very close to what is in the actual credits -- a similar-looking upside-down teardrop. 

Harmy said:

Well, looking at the credits, there may not be that many apostrophes - so far, I only found two, so if someone finds all of them, I'd consider re-doing them.

 There are 5. I can tell you exactly where they are -- but only if you request!

n00b said:

The new credits look awesome!

SirJonah said:

This might be a little defensive but I think it's close enough. There are 1,331 words and 10,898 characters in these credits (just checked my initial .rtf file) and not every single job title and name is perfectly adjusted to fit exactly over the ESB GOUT credits -- it would just be too time consuming to custom adjust the kerning like that.

When I was working in Photoshop, I just made sure that everything lined up on the left, middle and right sides and that the vertical alignment was correct. Sometimes a job title or name wouldn't fit exactly over the GOUT. But most of the time it did. Here's what that portion of the credits looks like superimposed over the GOUT credits from my PSD:

Don't worry, I know that any further adjustment would be far too time consuming. I didn't want to criticize your work nor did you make any mistake at this point. It's just because "RALPH McQUARRIE" had always been positioned anomalously and therefore is much more eye-catching than anything else. And that's the only reason why I pointed this out.

I hope I didn't come off as angry in my reply. I'm really not! I welcome your criticism -- in fact, if it wasn't for you, my ampersand mistake would have been left in. So, thank you!

Harmy said:

Here are the new and hopefully final credits:

http://uloz.to/xkG3V6u2/credits-new-mp4

 Fantastic work!

n00b said:

Harmy said:

OK, will do :-)

Thanks!

Could the space between "Conceptual Artist" and "RALPH McQUARRIE" be downsized too (the space between "RALPH" and "McQUARRIE" has to be exactly above the space between "LESLIE" and "DILLEY")?

This might be a little defensive but I think it's close enough. There are 1,331 words and 10,898 characters in these credits (just checked my initial .rtf file) and not every single job title and name is perfectly adjusted to fit exactly over the ESB GOUT credits -- it would just be too time consuming to custom adjust the kerning like that.

When I was working in Photoshop, I just made sure that everything lined up on the left, middle and right sides and that the vertical alignment was correct. Sometimes a job title or name wouldn't fit exactly over the GOUT. But most of the time it did. Here's what that portion of the credits looks like superimposed over the GOUT credits from my PSD:

n00b said:

Could it be possible that the ":" in "TM: (C) Lucasfilm Ltd. (LFL) 1980" at the end of the credits looks weird?

Oops! I assumed that that was supposed to be an ampersand (&) just looking at the GOUT credits. It's an ampersand on the Blu-ray and on the theatrical Jedi, but looking at team negative1's credits here for the first time ( http://www.dailymotion.com/video/kux5ufvmEiuocG8fqiu ) you're absolutely right that its a colon. A colon didn't make sense to me, so I interpreted it as an ampersand.

Looks like you'll have to change that, Harmy. Sorry about that!

Ah, I see. The size difference just threw me, for a second. Never mind then. Carry on -- looks great!

I think that looks pretty great, Harmy. Soft, but not too soft. The gate weave looks better too -- you lessened it on the background stars it looks like. And the fades look right. Also, you're enlarging the text based on Negative-1's 35mm frame, is that right? What, 110% or so? Are you doing that for all the credits now?

Oh, definitely. You've got to blur them somewhat, just maybe not quite as much as you have. Same with the gate weave. That way it will look a little closer to what the credits would look like on the negative. Every generation makes them look blurrier and blurrier, so you might want to be a bit conservative how much you degrade them. :)

Regardless, they look great! They're even better with music!

Harmy said:

And that is the main difference between Laserschwert's original files and my adjustments - Laserschwert's letters were very thin and sharp - much thinner and sharper than in that 35mm scan, so I used a matte choker effect to make them fatter and blurred them out a little bit - this is unfortunately what also caused the fuzziness in some of the logos but over-all, I think it brought the credits much closer to the way they look in the 35mm scan. The amount of the glow is also is also inspired by the 35mm.

I guess the gate-weave may be a bit too much, I'll have to look into that.

Remember that a 35mm release print is 3 generations removed from the original cut negative and therefore about a 1/3 softer and more blurry. Same with the gate weave. So you have to decide what you are matching, the cut negative (what most of the film is a scan of) or a degraded print.