I don't get all the Robocop 2 hate.

I could understand the third movie, but #2 was great. I always thought getting Frank Miller to write it was a great idea, since his Dark Knight Returns feels more like a Robocop story than it does Batman.

Bingowings said:

I rather liked Robocop 2 but the CGI was rubbish. 

There was CGI in it?

Baronlando said:

xhonzi said:

Yes, all classic films irreversibly engraved on all of our minds.  An average of about 6.5 on imdb (for what that's worth).

Not much. IMDB people are all from the devil's a**hole.

 :(

I'm an IMDB person.  From time to time.  Not that I'm sticking up for the lot of them, just I think your swing is a little broad.

Asaki said:

I don't get all the Robocop 2 hate.

I could understand the third movie, but #2 was great. I always thought getting Frank Miller to write it was a great idea, since his Dark Knight Returns feels more like a Robocop story than it does Batman.

Bingowings said:

I rather liked Robocop 2 but the CGI was rubbish.

There was CGI in it?

Yep and it ruined the menace of the featured character and dates the film terribly.

That's like saying a steaming pile of crap smells better than a pile of bloated corpses rotting in the hot summer sun ;-)

Bingowings said:

Yep and it ruined the menace of the featured character and dates the film terribly.

 Oh, right.

I don't mind that so much, because it's supposed to be bad CGI. It's not trying to represent anything real. That's like saying Tron or The Lawnmower Man had bad CGI.

Or the Money for Nothing music video \m/

Asaki said:

Bingowings said:

Yep and it ruined the menace of the featured character and dates the film terribly.

 Oh, right.

I don't mind that so much, because it's supposed to be bad CGI. It's not trying to represent anything real. That's like saying Tron or The Lawnmower Man had bad CGI.

Or the Money for Nothing music video \m/

I didn't think it was meant to be bad.

Robocop 2 (the cyborg) was meant to be cutting edge technology, a more advanced version of the the first Robocop so having a giant plasma screen pop out of it's head for no good reason and do the growling Max Headroom thing really buggered up my enjoyment of a good film when it first came out and it looks much worse now.

Lawnmower Man was meant to be a representation of VR then (or at least very close to then) so it was pretty accurate even if the film was a pile of poo.

Tron's CGI isn't meant to be CGI (in the story) at all.

It's a visual representation of the interactions of programs and data in cyberspace that was rendered largely on a computer and it looks timeless.

Bingowings said:

Robocop 2 (the cyborg) was meant to be cutting edge technology, a more advanced version of the the first Robocop so having a giant plasma screen pop out of it's head for no good reason and do the growling Max Headroom thing really buggered up my enjoyment of a good film when it first came out and it looks much worse now.

It could have been worse. The cyborg himself could have been entirely CGI ;-)

Is it true Kersh turned down Jedi because Lucas was a control freak on Empire and that Kurtz was not invited back to produce the third film ?

Robocop 2 ? there is only one RoboCop film and its the unrated version.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Bingowings said:

Robocop 2 (the cyborg) was meant to be cutting edge technology, a more advanced version of the the first Robocop so having a giant plasma screen pop out of it's head for no good reason and do the growling Max Headroom thing really buggered up my enjoyment of a good film when it first came out and it looks much worse now.

It could have been worse. The cyborg himself could have been entirely CGI ;-)

In terms of looks, Grievous and Robocop 2 were about as convincing as each other.

Maximillian in The Black Hole was much more menacing than either of them and he was almost entirely a physical prop but the CGI Cylon Centurions in NuGalactica were also as threatening.

What made Grievous so goofy was more in the lines he said and the manner he was made to say them than the techniques used to render him.

If he had been vocally silent like Robocop 2 (sans CGI telly head) he would have been much more intimidating.

If you write Dirk Dastardly dialogue for a character it had better be a comedy no matter how that character is rendered.

Not to mention his completely non-threatening color pallet...

The design could have been very threatening, cape and all if it was treated as something less than a joke.

His animated Clone Wars debut got a good deal of menace out of him and that was even after having him balance on one leg and wield a lightsaber in his spare foot.

Doesn't say much though does he?

Bingowings said:

Lawnmower Man was meant to be a representation of VR then (or at least very close to then) so it was pretty accurate even if the film was a pile of poo.

It's a visual representation of the interactions of programs and data in cyberspace that was rendered largely on a computer and it looks timeless.

 Yeah, that's what I meant. It's supposed to be a virtual puppet sort of representation of Cain. If they wanted it to look real, they could've just shaved Tom Noonan bald and filmed him against a black background.

But different strokes for different folks, I suppose.

It's a pretty safe bet they used CGI because it was fresh for 87, sadly nothing ages faster than the latest thing out especially if you are using it just for show.

The make-up effects, the stop motion etc were a step up on the previous film but the intrusion of the gimmick looked tarty back then and now it just looks awful and spoils an otherwise enjoyable sequel.

Every time I see this thread title I think Kershner didn't really die and he's making his grand re-entrance to society by making a remake of AOTC.

Bingowings said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Bingowings said:

Robocop 2 (the cyborg) was meant to be cutting edge technology, a more advanced version of the the first Robocop so having a giant plasma screen pop out of it's head for no good reason and do the growling Max Headroom thing really buggered up my enjoyment of a good film when it first came out and it looks much worse now.

It could have been worse. The cyborg himself could have been entirely CGI ;-)

In terms of looks, Grievous and Robocop 2 were about as convincing as each other.

Maximillian in The Black Hole was much more menacing than either of them and he was almost entirely a physical prop but the CGI Cylon Centurions in NuGalactica were also as threatening.

What made Grievous so goofy was more in the lines he said and the manner he was made to say them than the techniques used to render him.

If he had been vocally silent like Robocop 2 (sans CGI telly head) he would have been much more intimidating.

If you write Dirk Dastardly dialogue for a character it had better be a comedy no matter how that character is rendered.

Glad I'm not the only one who thought of good old Max when Grevious does his four arm blender impression. We need a "separated at birth" character thread sometime.

I recall one reviewer who called Maximillian a Vader rip off. Oh the irony!

theprequelsrule said:

skyjedi2005 said:

Robocop 2 ? there is only one RoboCop film and its the unrated version.

Truth.

 You can't handle the truth.

CP3S said:

theprequelsrule said:

TV's Frink said:

theprequelsrule said:

I love the idea of that thread...alas, it's too late for me.

Ask for your account to be abandoned and make a new one...or ask for a name change, though I don't remember if that is possible or not.

I think at this point I'll stick with it. Thanks for the info though.

I for one rather like your name. Though when you first showed up my first thoughts were oh great, here comes a PT gusher. The thought that you might be some past troll's sock crossed my mind as well. You turned out to be a pleasant surprise and a lot of fun though.

xhonzi will not be pleased that you're about to splitscreen with someone else...