Tyrphanax said:

theprequelsrule said:

Bingowings said:

Twirl, twirl, twirl, twirl, twirl.

^ That part was so stupid. The duel had been pretty good (not great) until this point.

Happened to have a dance-y song on as I saw this. Trippy.

 It's up there with this other classic.

Another classic of this form  :

Thats easy to explain, the green heat of the lightsaber was getting close to the gun and made the sparks.

^LOL

Nice one.

Or maybe Boba Fett's gun can fire it's barrel as a projectile weapon.

theprequelsrule said:

xhonzi said:

TV's Frink said:

And you'll have to forgive me for "already said in this thread" moments.  I don't read hal posts very closely, if at all.

Actually (literally) it was from a well respected member of this board.  No, not bkev, but Bingowingo: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/anothe-example-of-lucas-changing-things-to-appeal-to-a-new-generation-lightsaber-dueling-styles-of-OT-vs-PT/post/458520/#TopicPost458520

Am I well respected yet? I've made some witty posts! And I think Frink likes me!

Alas, 'tis not for this one to decide.  If so, would you think Bkev would "well respected" considered be?

(just kidding bkev.  You're 18 a man now.)

haljordan28 said:

what bothers me is the OT  duels at least  had   a sense of realism to them  where the PT  was  nothing more than 2 hr long power ranger episodes.

ChainsawAsh said:

2 hour long Power Ranger episodes?  I don't think so.

They were overly flashy and didn't have much logic to them, I agree with that.  A Jedi should be able to hold his own in a duel while conserving as much energy as possible, which would be accomplished by only striking or defending when necessary.  Doing unnecessary flips and twirls ruins that, and makes the Jedi look ridiculous.

But Power Rangers?  Come on.

...Ya'll say that like it's automatically a bad thing. I'll leave you to your opinions so long as you hear me out.

Power Rangers has over 700 episodes. You honestly think there's no way that there's zero quality in there? Frankly I think that the Star Wars prequels fights/dialogue sometimes loose against Power Rangers episodes.

I'll let footage speak for itself.

Similar context: A friend is bad battling against the good friend. With Dialog.

Power Rangers fight scene as it appears in the actual episode
Anakin vs. Obiwan ROTS: FAN EDITED TO BE SHORTER AND, TO CUT OUT THE YODA/PALPATINE FIGHT!

Side by side. If you haven't watched ROTS recently check out the clip for a more accurate comparison. Now honestly and, objectively which fight is more unbelievable?


Unfair you say? It's just a Power Rangers clip against a Star Wars Prequel clip in similar story contexts. Okay maybe I was a bit unfair multi-million dollar Star Wars movie production clip against low budget Power Rangers clip. Yes, Star Wars does deserve to have more help. {/sarcasm} So here ya go an entire 20 some minute Power Rangers eppy. Campared to a random Star Wars prequel clip. Only similarities you're supposed to feel scared for the characters and, it's a dark interior.


Random Power Rangers episode pt. 1
Random Power Rangers episode pt. 2
Random Power Rangers episode pt. 3
Star Wars AOTC clip with dialogue this time NO fan edit!!!

In terms of fighting which of the above was better?

Unfair, you say again? I chose to show you gun battles vs. melee battles? They're not comparable you say? *sigh* Fine. Hear ya go Power Rangers with super powers vs. a Star Wars prequel hardly powers using clip.


Power Rangers as it appears in episode
Star Wars ROTS fan edited

Though from a story context point of view there not comparable at all. A more comparable from story perspective fight in Power Rangers is here:

Lord Zedd vs. Tommy

To be honest the ONLY reason Palpatine stood a damn chance in that battle is because, the lightsaber can cut through steel like butter. He also has the power of the dark side clouding his apposition. Zedd just has an unreliable staff with no dark side mind clouding abilities. Palpatine is visibly tired otherwise. Zedd not so much. Hell take a look at the damn dialogue!

Power Rangers-
Tommy: *does some 'Hiyas'* "Okay Zedd, I'm ready for ya'!"
Zedd: "I'm far more powerful then you could ever handle White ranger!"
Tommy: *slight laugh* "We'll just have to see about that. Now won't we?"
Zedd: "Are those 'Hiyas' really necessary? Here I'll do some (mockingly) 'Ooo Ooo'. Come and, get me."

Star Wars-
Palpatine: "No, no, no, you will die!" *lightning shoot*
"He's a traitor!"
Windu: "He is the traitor uh!"
Palpatine: "I have the power to save Padme's life. You must choose!"

To me the Star Wars dialogue makes Anakin a complete moron and, Windu & Palpatine sound like children fighting over a toy. Meanwhile, the Power Rangers dialogue is far more natural and, actually makes sense! I mean one has some guy that just said "you will die" trying to play a victim while he's using a Sith trait of force lightning on a jedi knight. The other has a villian mocking the sounds the hero is making.


And, hell what about consequences to the War in the Galaxy? As plinkett pointed out there's not much. Meanwhile, in Power Rangers here's an instance of the world being occupied and, in shambles. Versus Naboo being invaded with the trade federation.

Power Rangers
Star Wars Occupied Naboo

In the Star Wars clip I want you to find a single indication that the general Naboo populace are not free to just sit at home in a nice cozy bed and, just watch tv. Are the droids invading or, visiting? Remember we're meant to believe these people are dying like, now and, stuff.

Meanwhile, in Power Rangers you see destroyed building debris, populace being pushed around, people are dirty, starving, need to create fire for heat at night. They spend what might be their last days alive sleeping in the scattered debris. Some are also injured. They try to stand up for themselves and, GET SHOT AT! Where is ANY of that in the Star Wars prequels??!! The regular populace in the prequels are mostly just going about there daily routine.


Yes there is some outrages stuff that does happen in Power Rangers. However considering they had an entire season taking place in a future where some 90% of Earth is dead.(clip) The survivors are forced to live in a protective dome. If the Star Wars prequels actually were more like Power Rangers I think they'd be a lot better... Course I could be wrong. Two guys fighting around lava... Expertly jumping to a 4 foot round platform in a river of lava, one guy jumping some 200 feet at least to do so... Only protected by cloth robes... Telling the guy able to jump some 200 feet escaping a lava fall that "It's over! I have the high ground" when standing just 4 feet higher... Yeah, all that could be way more realistic then the Power Rangers clip I posted of Dru just taking a gun and, shooting Sky.


I'm just saying hear me out on this one and, actually watch the posted clips side by side.

TV's Frink said:

twister111 said:

...Ya'll say that like it's automatically a bad thing. I'll leave you to your opinions so long as you hear me out.

Power Rangers has over 700 episodes. You honestly think there's no way that there's zero quality in there?

Bay's Transformers has over 2 movies.

And that's related to my post how? Did you actually watch any of the clips I posted or, did you just stop reading there? Again what does Bay's Transformers have anything to do with what I posted?

TMBTM said:

Frink wanted to say that quantity does not mean quality. A reply to your power rangers quote.

At least that's how I understand it.

While I agree quantity does not mean quality. It also means that even something done with most people behind it trying hard could fall down to ridiculousness with so much done. I mean even Star Trek has the Voyager Threshold episode. Hell someone non-Star Wars fan but, curious might watch Jar Jar clips because, they heard somewhere that the writer/director/creator guy said "Jar Jar's the key to this(Star Wars)." Assume that's all Star Wars is about and, decide not to waste their time with actually watching any full Star Wars movie.

If you actually watch at the very least the first clip I posted there's an assassination attempt and, a power ranger battle in 3:11(as in that's all you have to watch a little over 3 minutes is the full clip) of the clip. I ask you to compare that to the ROTS clip I posted and, the assassination attempt on Padme in AOTC. Tell me truthfully which one seems more realistic?

TV's Frink said:

I watched the first clip and thought it was terrible.  Bad music, bad acting, and some seriously awful costumes (especially the dog). 

This thread is about the fights. I was comparing the fights specifically. Yes there's better music and, costumes in the prequels I won't deny that. However, what do you think about the comparison of that fight to the ROTS fight right below it?

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TV's Frink said:

There's crap in the ROTS fight, no question.  But the PR fight is very simplistic.  Basically guy turns around and shoots other guy.  Where is the comparison?

That's exactly my point I posted a power ranger fight that is pretty damn simplistic. The original posts I quoted assumed if the fights were more like power rangers it'd automatically be worse then "overly flashy and didn't have much logic to them". Well I just posted fights to the contrary.

TV's Frink said:

And anyway, my specific comment re: Transformers was with regard to your comment that there are over 700 episodes and thus there must be some quality involved.  I just don't see that argument here.

Fine if you don't want to read the rest of my previous post or, attempt to watch any of the other clips. You seem fixated on this one line of my post. I'll just post some pictures here. You hypothetically have the power to save one planet. I'll post the worst conditions I can find of each planet that's been invaded.

Planet #1:









Planet #2:





In each one I'm showing you the effects on the non-soldier non-hero characters in the story. What each one showed the average every day person has to deal with. Which planet would you save? Which one makes you believe that the people are dying without the hero characters help?

Power Rangers had very low production values but those scenes resemble more a city under siege and a population in peril than Theed in TPM.

Nice comparison there.