Hi,again. I wanted to add a few things,if you don't mind? I can put it succinctly...imo and this is just me,but Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings Trilogy became to me what the PT was supposed to become. Granted it had a wonderful story already out there,but to manage such a large and grand story and put it on screen with so many truelly fleshed out characters brought to life by an array of such talented actors and actresses was a real feat. I really liked and cared for them,even the cgi ones. Peter delivered not only SPFX of epic quality,he made films that when I watch them over again,I don't just skip over to the big battles or action,like I tend to do with the PT...I watch them because I want to follow the characters. I can't say that for the PT. Lucas had alot of advantages,including many great performers,top of the line production people,state of the art FX,etc...and even though alot of the actors from the OT would say comments about the dialogue they spoke I still felt real emotions from them. I mean Liam Neeson,Ewan McGregor,Natalie Portman,Ian MacDiarmid,Christopher Lee,even Hadyn C (who I've seen do some good work)...and the only character who brought real life to me was a CGI called Yoda! and Frank Oz. What an array of talent and they couldn't breathe life into the characters, with exception of Mr.Mcdiarmid who's character gets a chance to really grow. I really loved his nuance and his characters arc. To this day I think his performance in ROTJ was one of the few times that real evil was brought out from an actor. That's why we cheered...yes ,cheered when Anakin/Vader lifted him up and threw him to his death. How often do you hear a cheer from audiences today? To make this long story short,George should have NOT directed,this is an example of Style over Substance...even though this was started about the Lightsaber dueling,which is one of the highlights of the newer films ,I have just one example from ROTS...the opening space battle,a prime example of sometimes Less is More...After 20 yrs I still fill the space battle from ROTJ was sooo much better than the Battle over Coruscant. I couldn't take it all in! there was so much going on I couldn't appreciate it....whereas in ROTJ that battle had an ellegance and awe,that even with all the supercomputers and CGI wizards of today could not replicate.

xhonzi said:

Alright, is it just me, or did hal have a good point even if he sort of botched the delivery?

... ... He probably did it because he thought it would 'look cool' and the pervasiveness of Asian culture in the West led him to think that he had to have the Jedi be superninjas just so they could be competitive with the other superninjas in recent pop culture... ...

There's this weird assumption inherent in that argument that the OT duels weren't meant to 'look cool.' They clearly are.

Luke and Obi both do the same "spin around for no reason and then barely block Vader's saber" move. Luke does a crazy backwards flip onto a bridge in ROTJ. Vader pwns Luke with ONE HAND during the start of the fight in ESB just to be badass.

And I still stand that I don't see any clear EAST vs. WEST difference in the sword styles of the trilogy as a whole. Moving quickly or jumping high doesn't make you Asian.

TV's Frink said:

It's not a good sign if you are taking haljordan's side in an argument with TheBoost.

Where did I take haljordan's side, exactly?

I did nothing of the sort. If I took any side, which it isn't at all obvious I did, I took the anti-ad hominem side. I actually agree with parts of both sides of the argument.

For the most part, I try to focus on the content rather than the person. hal's delivery left something to be desired, but I agree with the basic premise that the saber fights in the PT are more acrobatic in part to appeal to a younger generation accustomed to heavily-choreographed dance-like fight sequences and "wire fu"-style acrobatics. I also agree with TheBoost that there is more to it than just that, and as is often done with Star Wars, you can point to enough in-universe reasons for the change to satisfy most fans.