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I am ready for the trials!But he couldn't stop tampering with the movies, and this time he went too far. The reason I hate it so much is the fact that a PT actor is inserted into an OT movie, and it is just looks weird. And it dispels every argument that if you don't like the PT or saga, just watch 4-6. We can't cause that creepy Hayden Christenson is in it now!
I always put up with Jabba in ANH, Greedo shooting first, and even the dreaded Jedi Rocks, but Mr. Lucas you lost me on this one, and that is when I became a true O-OT fan, and now I refuse to watch all of the SE now.
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I am ready for the trials!I mean, the SE ROTJ ending was ruined anyway with the new-age music and the multi-planet celebrations, he just put the nail in the coffin with Hayden. I had actually heard rumors about it before I saw the DVD, but I couldn't believe it when I actually saw it in front of me.
I love Yub Nub of course but I do like the planets celebrating and the new music at the end, so what Adigitalman did with the ending - getting rid of the "Wesa free" audio and replacing Hayden with Shaw so you have the new ending with Shaw was pretty good
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is automatic for the people.Another thing I want to add is Lucas' excuses for doing that, and how silly they are. You know, the whole, "Darth Vader was no longer Anakin" thing. DUMB! It makes MORE sense for Shaw to be at the end because it shows that as Vader was aging, so was his good, human side and that is how Luke was able to help him redeem himself. The whole, "...there is still good in you..." thing.
Or we could just use the logical answer that says since Anakin was human and only part machine, his human side would age normally.
No matter, it is hands down one of the dumbest changes in all of the SEs.
I think I was able to figure out Anakin had joined the light side by:
1. He was able to maintain his identity through the force (obviously).
2. He killed Palpatine and saved his son.
3. He appeared in his Jedi robes instead of his Vader suit.
I certianly didn't need George to play musical chairs with people's heads to tell me that Anakin had redeemed himself.
And another thing... why did the Hayden version appear in robes that never wore in the prequels anyway?
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SilverWook
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I am ready for the trials!
darkhelmet
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I am ready for the trials!One of the Dark Horse Infinities comics actually depicted Hayden's face when the mask comes off shortly before the '94 versions came out.
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Padawan LearnerAs far as the music goes. I personally like both the new and the old music, I don't know what it is about that NEW music but it's just fun to listen to. However Yub Nub in certain circles has become such an iconic song with Star Wars. I love listening to my 1993 Soundtrack Anthology set which has Yub Nub on there. Great stuff.
I'll never buy the NEWER versions of the Star Wars soundtracks as I personally can't tell all that many differences and the songs that are changed I don't really care about anyways besides the ending song, that being said...I'm gonna put on my next CD is the NEW End Celebration song and possibly even put Yub Nub infront of it as a comparison track to have them both play after one another.
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I am ready for the trials!Joe Williams who wrote Lapti Nek was removed from the credits in '97. It said so on the star wars site but couldn't Lucas get in a lot of trouble from erasing someone's name from the film. Isn't there a rule against that which is why many full-screen dvd's (including star wars) have the credits in letterbox widescreen?
Anakin's ghost appears at the age he was last alive. With Hayden, that means Luke was NOT right and basically destroys everthing Lucas supposedly wants with Anakin's redemption.
"I've learned that we can do just about anything under the sun with computers. So the question becomes, should we? ...But now, we have technology that can replace actors, or an entire performance in an already existing movie. We could cut out Humphrey Bogart and replace him with Vin Diesel, if somebody wanted. Who would want to? Well, there might be people who would. That's why we have to be careful. Movies reflect our cultural heritage from the period in time in which they were made. Therefore, altering them can destroy that historical perspective. That's disrespectful of history, which is a big issue for me. The situation is like walking a tightrope - we have to move forward, but we have to be careful."
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Padawan LearnerI killed him because I'm a dirty dog.
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Doesn't know how to handle his new-found fame& you make an interesting (& accurate) point with regards to Luke being wrong if hayden is the force ghost.... Yet another reason to forget the SE....
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I am ready for the trials!
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Imagination PrincessThere is no lingerie in space...
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don't exist... then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks... and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming... Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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Padawan LearnerAlso, I think Scruffy's post is very insightful.
Shaw's is the face behind the mask of Vader.... Seeing that face restored, happy, approving of his son, in communion with his mentor ... there's a lot of strong feelings there. He has been in a dark place for twenty years, but he's found his way home, and his friends were waiting for him.
Hayden's is the face of pride, resentment, and foolishness. The prequel trilogy spent four hours linking these attributes with that face, prepping us to dislike him. When I look into that face in Jedi, I don't know what he's thinking or feeling. He has no camaraderie with the geriatrics he's hanging out with, that's for sure; he's more like a bad child who avoided a scolding by flashing his puppy-dog eyes at his parents."
I'm looking forward to Darth Editous fixing this, which I hope he will. The Emperor scene in ESB was also a mistake that should be corrected.
Time is running out for the Rebels. Antilles upcourt to Skywalker. He’s being paced by Darth Va— the bone-jarring pick by Solo! He came out of nowhere! Skywalker’s open from way outside, he launches at the buzzer... Good! It’s good! The Rebels win on a sensational buzzer beater by Luke Skywalker! Let’s take another look at that last shot. He just does get it off in time. Wow, what a shot. That’s why they call him Luke Legend.
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Time is running out for the Rebels. Antilles upcourt to Skywalker. He’s being paced by Darth Va— the bone-jarring pick by Solo! He came out of nowhere! Skywalker’s open from way outside, he launches at the buzzer... Good! It’s good! The Rebels win on a sensational buzzer beater by Luke Skywalker! Let’s take another look at that last shot. He just does get it off in time. Wow, what a shot. That’s why they call him Luke Legend.
That may be the most exciting battle I have ever been privileged to broadcast. Certainly the most dramatic finish. We’ll get you an update on the Artoo Detoo injury situation in just a moment. Right now let’s go courtside where SuperShadow is waiting with Chewbacca.
Fang Zei
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I am ready for the trials!
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Padawan LearnerThat was after Vader said "it is too late for me," which it wasn't.
Time is running out for the Rebels. Antilles upcourt to Skywalker. He’s being paced by Darth Va— the bone-jarring pick by Solo! He came out of nowhere! Skywalker’s open from way outside, he launches at the buzzer... Good! It’s good! The Rebels win on a sensational buzzer beater by Luke Skywalker! Let’s take another look at that last shot. He just does get it off in time. Wow, what a shot. That’s why they call him Luke Legend.
That may be the most exciting battle I have ever been privileged to broadcast. Certainly the most dramatic finish. We’ll get you an update on the Artoo Detoo injury situation in just a moment. Right now let’s go courtside where SuperShadow is waiting with Chewbacca.
bigbaddaddyvader
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Leave it to me.Having said that,though,there was no real need for it.
RemixerBoss
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Padawan LearnerIt's all parts crap.
A la Britney looking like a moustache-less Jamie Hyneman of Mythbusters
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Padawan LearnerThat said, I was surprised to hear that GL was making that change for the '04 dvd. While I like the change, I also feel that it wasn't absolutely necessary. I could live with the old man being Vader.
The one thing that sticks out now is that fact that he didn't replace Shaw in the unmasking scene with HC. Now that you see HC in the spirit scene, it makes sense to see him as the unmasked Vader. To me, at least. And until that happens, I'll always consider the change as incomplete.
Now, on the other hand, if Lucas were ever to decide to go back and reinsert Shaw, I'd support that move as well.
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Padawan Learnerif Lucas were ever to decide to go back and reinsert Shaw, I'd support that move as well.
If Lucas were ever to decide to stop messing around with movies made a quarter of a century ago, I'd support that move.
Time is running out for the Rebels. Antilles upcourt to Skywalker. He’s being paced by Darth Va— the bone-jarring pick by Solo! He came out of nowhere! Skywalker’s open from way outside, he launches at the buzzer... Good! It’s good! The Rebels win on a sensational buzzer beater by Luke Skywalker! Let’s take another look at that last shot. He just does get it off in time. Wow, what a shot. That’s why they call him Luke Legend.
That may be the most exciting battle I have ever been privileged to broadcast. Certainly the most dramatic finish. We’ll get you an update on the Artoo Detoo injury situation in just a moment. Right now let’s go courtside where SuperShadow is waiting with Chewbacca.
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Padawan LearnerWe will never accept hm or Infodroid's cowardice
I don't know what it means. Something like coward.
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Jedi KnightI puked in my mouth.
generalfrevious
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I am ready for the trials!Well, it means that, as said once three years ago when this controversy was introduced, that the last half of the SW "saga" is inherently pointless, because I always felt that the OT was about Luke, not Vader. But lets not talk about the Hayden deal. Its been done to death, especially by me.
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Your first reaction to Hayden is ROTJ