CP3S said:
twooffour said:
Yea, I dare arguing against a silly picture from the internet, how badass.
Listen, you clown, unless you can't be bothered, feel free to look at the graphic again. Does it mention "logic" anywhere?It is a picture on the internet, but it isn't from the internet. You'll find that same breakdown of fact and fiction in 2nd grade reading text books all over the country. It isn't really "badass". "Nonsensical" or "weird" are more the words I'd have used. I mean, you are actually disputing the established meanings of "fact" and "fiction".
Not sure what "clown" you're talking to; but I'll answer your question about "logic" and how it relates to "fact" and "fiction". Logic is independent from fact or fiction and can fit into either category. Regardless of the logic involved, a fact is a fact and an opinion is an opinion. You can arrive at an opinion via logic, but it is still an opinion. You'll find facts that are as illogical as hell, but they are still facts. So it goes.
But hey, you want me to argue? Very fine.
I never said I wanted to argue. Can't be bothered. I'd rather just be amused while watching you try so hard.
It is a picture on the internet, but it isn't from the internet.
It was taken from the internet, probably just Google. Not some academic source, I'd take.
You'll find that same breakdown of fact and fiction in 2nd grade reading text books all over the country.
Well excuse me if I'm not completely satisfied with the comprehensiveness of a simplified graphic for fucking 2nd graders.
I mean, you are actually disputing the established meanings of "fact" and "fiction".
No, you're disputing the established topic of this sub-discussion, which is FACT and OPINION, not "fiction".
Having that said, please quote a single line from my last response, or ANY post ever posted by me, where I actually challenged the meanings of fact, fiction, or opinion.
All I challenged were the unprecise definitions in this lacklustre 2nd grader graphic, in relation to the... established meanings of fact and opinion.
Regardless of the logic involved, a fact is a fact and an opinion is an opinion.
Yes, and the knowledge of a fact (given that it's not a fact that is directly and unambiguously observable, and basically obvious) stands and falls with accurate, and fallacious logic, just as the accuracy of an opinion stands and falls with logic.
The supposed "knowledge" of facts (and that's really what you should distinguish between, opinion and KNOWLEDGE) can be completely wrong if derived through hair-raising logical fallacies, and so can any opinion relating to anything tangible, be it facts, logical or imaginary/fictional constructs, or moral values and well-being.
So when you accuse me of selling my "opinions" as "facts", what you probably really mean, is that I treat my flawed opinions based on fallacies, subjective biases and leaps of logic, as opinions well grounded in reason.
Or, alternatively, maybe it's externalizing my personal tastes on the outside world, i.e. attributing my mental reactions to certain objects, to the objects themselves.
I dunno, have I done the former (which would be basically just poor argumentation)? Have I done the latter?
Or maybe I've pretended to know something, while I actually just guessed or presumed?
So which is it now?
Because just saying "wrong", or "no, that's how it is", isn't necessarily a factual statement, it may as well be "this is how it makes sense, because this and that".
Although I wonder what examples you people REALLY can up with, when it comes down to it.
So far, I've seen you getting repeatedly butthurt about disclaimed jokes, or reacting with bewilderment at me calling a completely messed up analogy "wrong".
Seems like you people are much less about intellectual honesty or calling things their names, than about political correctness and beating around the bush.
WHY should I beat around the bush if I see a nonsensical argument (and can explain why it's nonsensical, or flawed)? How long should I beat around the bush saying "well, in my opinion...", before losing it?
This is beyond silly beyond silly. All of it. Next time you see me proclaim myself as "right" about something, tell me how my statement is actually flawed, or inherently subjective by definition with no external qualifier. Quit whining about "oh, he said wrong, he's so arrogant" while citing little more than stripped-down quotes of which a half is comprised of jokes anyway
And just as a hint, if I say something was a joke 5 times, it probably was.