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What are your opinions on DVNR?
What are your opinions on DVNR?
The Aluminum Falcon
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Slayer of DeaditesI'm just curious in seeing how much members around here dislike DVNR. By DVNR, I mean Digital Video Noise Reduction and NOT the Delaware Valley Norton Riders. For example, would you refuse buying a Blu-Ray release for DVNR and stick to an older DVD? Do you stay away from GOUT enhancements just because they will have the DVNR smearing inherent to the GOUT?
I just got interested in this topic since I personally refuse to watch Predator and Evil Dead II on Blu-Ray because they are so scrubbed of grain. I prefer watching the first Predator Blu-Ray or the earlier Evil Dead II DVD. In fact, I made a little scale...
Here's the DVNR Opinion Scale (from 1-10):
1- You don't know about DVNR. If given a test between a heavy DVNR-ed source and a light DVNR-ed source, you'll choose the heavy DVNR-ed source.
2- You know about DVNR and are a great fan.
3- You know about DVNR. You can see it and don't mind it.
4- You are aware of DVNR's existence but you simply can't see it or the resulting smearing. Therefore, you're indifferent.
5- You are aware of DVNR and can notice it. You'd prefer it not to be heavily put on.
6- You dislike DVNR. You wish that companies would use it sparingly but you prefer it to transfers with absolutely no DVNR. For example, you loathe the early grainy Predator Blu-Ray and think the newer one is the lesser of two evils.
7- You strongly dislike DVNR. You try to look for early non-DVNR'ed releases if the most recent release is heavily DVNR-ed. You think the early Predator Blu-Ray is better than the newer one because it is less DVNR-ed. Grain is good.
8- You detest DVNR. You prefer non-DVNR'ed DVDs to Blu-Rays with heavy DVNR. You would choose the old Evil Dead II DVD over the heavy DVNR Blu-Ray.
9- You really detest DVNR. You think that even with little DVNR, a Blu-Ray is less superior to no-DVNR and unrestored DVDs.
10- You HATE DVNR! You will do anything to avoid it even if it means avoiding quality. GOUT enhancements are meaningless to you because of the DVNR smearing! You prefer to stick to the no DVNR-ed early VHSes, the Puggo Grande, or any Japanese Special Collection laserdisc preservations. Even the PAL laserdiscs have way too much DVNR for you!
Personally, I am about an 8 on the scale. DVNR really bothers me and I wish it would be avoided.
So, where does everyone else rank?
Quackula
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I guess I'm floating somewhere between 5 and 6. I don't really buy blu rays because I'm, for the most part, pretty satisfied with the way my DVD setup looks.
So yeah, I'm kinda indifferent I suppose. I do hate it when a blu ray is DVNR'd so much that it loses detail though. That defeats the whole purpose of HD.
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Chief Architect of Cynical MoralityBetween 7 and 8, I think.
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Gaffer Tape
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Imagination PrincessI'm probably an 8.
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of Earth.By your scale- 7. Prior to looking at the explanation, I would have gone with 5.5 or 6.
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aka PancakesYeah, between 7 and 8 for me.
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Return to Form, or Forum in this case!!Yeah, I'm around 5 and 6.
I think it is helpful in some cases, but I've seen it used so heavily, the picture almost looks painted instead of filmed.
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Murry Sparkles
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Its 7-8 for me.
TheBoost
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Better a bad bomb than a bombadWhat if someone LIKES DVNR?
Gaffer Tape
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Imagination PrincessThen obviously you're a number two, both in terms of the chart and in the figurative sense. =P
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don't exist... then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks... and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming... Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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delurking mode.. onI am a solid 8. In fact I "have" chosen not to buy ED II on Blu-Ray for this exact reason :-D (ED I looks amazing, though!!)
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Gaffer Tape
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Imagination PrincessErectile Dysfunction got a sequel?
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don't exist... then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks... and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming... Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
Anchorhead
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Hand Of Judgmentstrongly dislike DVNR... try to look for early non-DVNR'ed releases ...Grain is good.
...prefer non-DVNR'ed DVDs to Blu-Rays with heavy DVNR.
7 - 8 for me as well.
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bkev
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See You, Space Cowboy...Probably a seven. It's better than excessive grain (often caused by edge-enhancement) problems that have occasionally plagued prior releases, but it certainly has its problems.
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You will not. None of us will, except for a very old and dying Ziggy Stardust who will watch it through teary eyes as he remembers us all.
pittrek said:
I seriously hope I will live enough to see the original Star Wars trilogy in this quality
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delurking mode.. onGaffer Tape said:
Erectile Dysfunction got a sequel?
It sure did, but it's so DVNR'd that not even Viagra can help it! :-D
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has been intentionally left blank.7
Anchorhead said:look at Johnny Ringo, man. If I had to go against that guy it would be an Indiana Jones\Dovchenko event - and I'd be hoping like hell for a bunch of ants.
TheBoost
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Better a bad bomb than a bombadGaffer Tape said:
Then obviously you're a number two, both in terms of the chart and in the figurative sense. =P
I saw that one the scale... I just mean that the title of the thread is kind of excluding.
What if James Cameron, the guy who invented DVNR, or the guy who invented DVNR's mom came to this board? Wouldn't they feel bad?
Quackula
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bkev said:
Probably a six. It's better than excessive grain (often caused by edge-enhancement) problems that have occasionally plagued prior releases, but it certainly has its problems.
Edge enhancement, yes.
That's just as much of a problem as DVNR honestly.
The Aluminum Falcon
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Slayer of DeaditesTheBoost said:
I saw that one the scale... I just mean that the title of the thread is kind of excluding.
What if James Cameron, the guy who invented DVNR, or the guy who invented DVNR's mom came to this board? Wouldn't they feel bad?
I guess you're right TheBoost. You do have a point. I'll change the thread title. Anyway, the scale doesn't really necessitate hating DVNR.
TV's Frink said:
I'm a big fan of DVNR.
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Ointment FlyThe Aluminum Falcon said:
TV's Frink said:
I'm a big fan of DVNR.
Frink.... DVNR=Digital Video Noise Reduction... Lol :P
Thanks Ric Olie :p
TheBoost
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Better a bad bomb than a bombadThe Aluminum Falcon said:
TheBoost said:
I saw that one the scale... I just mean that the title of the thread is kind of excluding.
What if James Cameron, the guy who invented DVNR, or the guy who invented DVNR's mom came to this board? Wouldn't they feel bad?
I guess you're right TheBoost. You do have a point. I'll change the thread title. Anyway, the scale doesn't really necessitate hating DVNR.
I was just goofin' off. You're right, DVNR sucks.
The Aluminum Falcon
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Slayer of DeaditesTheBoost said:
I was just goofin' off. You're right, DVNR sucks.
Nonetheless; there are probably people out there who like it so I might as well make the thread title neutral and not representing my opinion on DVNR.
What are your opinions on DVNR?