A great many things. I had just written out a long-ish response pointing out the plot holes and weaknesses of this dialogue, but my stupid computer just eated it, and honestly, I think it's obvious for everyone reading anyway.

It's a horrible piece of exposition schlock that makes no sense on many levels :D

Sluggo said:

Personally, I think it was best to leave it on the cutting room floor as it didn't have a proper set-up in earlier movies.  Had Quigon actually disappeared or had there been some actual discussion of it earlier in the prequels, it could have been done right.  

As it is now, there is a strange attempt to have Quigon yell "Noooooooooo!!!!" in AOTC, but it doesn't sound like him (for obvious reasons) so when he appears to Yoda in ROTS, it seems rushed.  I think the reason it was cut was movie was too long anyway, but had George set it up more earlier, he might have had to keep it in.

Wait, wait... the part where he screams "Anakin", that's... is that stock recording from that part where he warns him about Darth Maul?? Never thought about it.... I'd thought they'd paid Neeson to speak one line for the new movie...

Another thing is wrong with this picture - force ghosts had never been established as living up to that "unimaginable power" Ben was boasting about before his death in the OT.

The maximum he accomplished was guiding Luke through the dogfight, which he could've done just as well alive, meditatin' or something, other than that his whole purpose was spouting off expository dialogue and joining in at celebrations.

No need to shine a giant spotlight at that (somewhat forgiveable) flaw from the OT, by shoehorning in a truly pointless scene with the sole purpose of fanservice and continuinty nod.

It's like "yay, Qui-Gon Jinn started this whole ghost thing! He teaches Yoda and Obi-Wan how to do that so in the next movies they can transform into ghosts and continue supplying our main hero with exposition! wait, why am I watching this?"


More powerful than any Sith? My ass is more powerful than any Sith. It all comes down to the width of the lightsaber, baby...

Lots of other things that feel wrong about this dialog:

Why does Qui-Gon say "no thought of self" right after talking about the possibility of "avoiding oblivion" while retaining consciousness, and DEMONSTRATING THAT HIMSELF WHILE HE'S SPEAKING?

Then there's that Shaman of Dshinghis reference... WHY is it in the script??!

Through compassion, not greed? Oh, so the Jedi and force ghost thing is established as good, not evil, thanks. You see, it's achieved with "compassion". If you're not going to elaborate on that, just fucking strike it out or it remains as a horrible artificially shoved-in cliché so obviously there to serve as checkbox.

Then, how come Yoda never ever mentioned Qui-Gon in EpV and VI, given that he had been his "apprentice" in becoming a ghost? I mean, everyone else keeps talking about Qui-Gon in those movies, why not Yoda??!

That whole scene reads like it was written by a 7 year old. Could it have been delivered well with some good acting (and actor's modification)? Maybe. But it was right about staying the fuck out of the movie.

Baronlando said:

Yeah, I think they cut it because it's a guy saying "I learned how to keep my consciousness after I lost my consciousness."

Actually he doesn't say that. He sez: "I learned how to keep my consciousness while having no consciousness at the same time."

Sluggo said:

twooffour said:

Sluggo said:

Personally, I think it was best to leave it on the cutting room floor as it didn't have a proper set-up in earlier movies.  Had Quigon actually disappeared or had there been some actual discussion of it earlier in the prequels, it could have been done right.  

As it is now, there is a strange attempt to have Quigon yell "Noooooooooo!!!!" in AOTC, but it doesn't sound like him (for obvious reasons) so when he appears to Yoda in ROTS, it seems rushed.  I think the reason it was cut was movie was too long anyway, but had George set it up more earlier, he might have had to keep it in.

Wait, wait... the part where he screams "Anakin", that's... is that stock recording from that part where he warns him about Darth Maul?? Never thought about it.... I'd thought they'd paid Neeson to speak one line for the new movie...

The Anakin lines were looped from TPM and the Noooooo!!!!!* was performed by Ben Burtt.

 

 

*Why does NOOOOOO!!!! have to be the reoccurring theme of the PT?  Lame.

So after all tgese tortutred years, I finally do understand why the NO sounded so differently... guess I just thought that's what he screams like?

I mean WOW... how FUCKING cheap.

I mean, just to be fair, could it be that Jinn screams differently on the other side than he did when he was alive (his voval chords must've been worn out, haha)? I guess it's possible... anything's possible with ghosts! But y'know what I think? Well...

Alexrd said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Ah, Qui-Gon, you amazing bastard. To have learned how to merge with the Force and retain your personality after passing the point-of-no-return that is death is truly a sign that the midi-chlorians are strong in you. Kudos!

While I appreciate the virtual milkshake, I really don't understand what's wrong. The fact that he can teach it to others is important. But then again, there is no point in arguing or searching nits about a script part that was cut and never used for the movie.

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