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xhonzi's avatar
Wait... what made the Empire so evil again?

We all know it was evil... but why was that again?

All answers are welcome, but something deeper than "The Emperor was evil, therefore the Empire was evil" would be awesome.

All Gov't's first task is self preservation.  What was it about the Empire that made it so evil?

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TheBoost's avatar
RE: Wait... what made the Empire so evil again?

They did kill an entire planet and dismantle galactic democracy.

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xhonzi said:

All Gov't's first task is self preservation. 

 On a side note, I would argue against this point.

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RE: Wait... what made the Empire so evil again?

The Alderaan thing is kinda unforgiveable.

I've seen this question raised before, and it's a very interesting one. The Empire really isn't quite as bad as it seems. And then someone brings up Alderaan and there's nothing more to be said.

Okay, here's my suggestion: pretend the whole "Alderaan incident" didn't happen. Now, without that example, what made the Empire so evil?

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TV's Frink's avatar
RE: Wait... what made the Empire so evil again?

Well, start with the taxation of trade routes, and...

...whoops, wrong movie. ;-)

It is a rather interesting idea, actually.

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RE: Wait... what made the Empire so evil again?

They were an absolute dictatorship. if we include deleted scenes Biggs told Luke the Empire was taking over all business, and they would take his family farm and make him a tennant farmer.

There was apparently no judicial system, or at least Vader operated outside of it. Summary execution and torture of private citizens without trial. Search and seizure with no civil rights recognized.

 

Last edited on October 5, 2010 at 7:14 PM by TheBoost (Reason: Does anyone read these?)
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RE: Wait... what made the Empire so evil again?

Also, you wouldn't believe the size of the carbon footprint that Death Star gives off...

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TheBoost's avatar
RE: Wait... what made the Empire so evil again?

And to reiterate, the Empire did abolish the Galactic Senate and plan to rule through terror.

HotRod's avatar
RE: Wait... what made the Empire so evil again?

Dunno about the Empire itself, but I've never really thought of Vader being that 'evil'...

He was just errr...confused!!

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Additionally, I hear Darth Vader once blew up an entire Prius factory with his Super Star Destroyer.

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RE: Wait... what made the Empire so evil again?

TheBoost said:

They did kill an entire planet and dismantle galactic democracy.

True, but the Rebellion was already formed prior to this, right?

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RE: Wait... what made the Empire so evil again?

xhonzi said:

TheBoost said:

They did kill an entire planet and dismantle galactic democracy.

True, but the Rebellion was already formed prior to this, right?

Yes, but I don't think it's reasonable to assume the Empire had a great record for human rights and civil justice leading up to that moment.

Vader already had a reputation prior to attacking and raiding the diplomatic vessel Leia was on, and I doubt "being bold" referred to his performances at poetry slams.

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RE: Wait... what made the Empire so evil again?

Fashion : Clothing Makes an Empire

oh and they like to march in well organized lines.

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RE: Wait... what made the Empire so evil again?

Bryan Ferry really digs their style...no that was those other guys...and he said sorry.

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Erikstormtrooper's avatar
RE: Wait... what made the Empire so evil again?

This is an interesting question. In the 1970s, people could easily see the evil in the Empire. Today, it doesn't register so much. Sad, really.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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RE: Wait... what made the Empire so evil again?

I think the Empire was inspired by the early days of Hitler's reign. Nobody wants to get involved (e.g.- Luke) until the stormtroopers come marching through their cities.

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RE: Wait... what made the Empire so evil again?

Stormtroopers slaughtering innocent Jawas, and framing innocent Tuskens for the crime ring any bells?

Not to mention the BBQ over at the Lars' moisture farm...

I'm actually kind of surprised they were not kicking down doors in Mos Eisely while searching for the droids. Troopers must not be good with locked doors. ;)

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RE: Wait... what made the Empire so evil again?

Always wondered about that. "Oh no, it's locked. We can't go in! Code #235667.5561138 says you cannot go in a locked house, but you can blow up a planet."

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RE: Wait... what made the Empire so evil again?

They probably assumed that droids wouldn't have the initiative or foresight to lock a door on them in the first place, or be able to get through one in their way.  I get the impression independent thought among droids was heavily discouraged, hence memory erasures and so forth.

In addition to the stormtroopers being somewhat reminiscent of Nazis, I've heard that the Emperor was at the time of the first film conceived as being like Nixon, flouting the law with impunity and drawing greater power unto himself.  Which as was said would have resonated more with 70's audiences, what with Watergate and Vietnam still weighing heavily on the public consciousness.  Nowadays the shock of that sort of thing has worn off, with mindless patriotism making a big comeback.  I always thought the rebels would have had a fairly tough time of it trying to establish a new government, since the 'silent majority' probably supported the Empire and didn't pay too much attention to whispers of the horrors being perpetrated.  Things like Alderaan would certainly have been kept secret or written off as rebel terrorism by the official news sources.

(Of course the announced intention of the Death Star was for rule by terror to prevent the growth of the Rebel Alliance, but with its subsequent destruction a few days after its first use, the official announcement of such a policy would have had to be drastically altered.)

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RE: Wait... what made the Empire so evil again?

xhonzi said:

We all know it was evil... but why was that again?

All answers are welcome, but something deeper than "The Emperor was evil, therefore the Empire was evil" would be awesome.

All Gov't's first task is self preservation.  What was it about the Empire that made it so evil?

George Lucas.

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RE: Wait... what made the Empire so evil again?

This is what makes the Empire evil. 

And lots of other things.  Like fear.  Fear will keep the local star systems in line.

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RE: Wait... what made the Empire so evil again?

Fear of this battle station.

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RE: Wait... what made the Empire so evil again?

-Peter Cushing.

-Fear will keep the systems in line.

-Death Star, and might of the Navy.

-Vader.

-Jawa killers.

-British accents.

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RE: Wait... what made the Empire so evil again?

Erikstormtrooper said:

This is an interesting question. In the 1970s, people could easily see the evil in the Empire. Today, it doesn't register so much. Sad, really.

Why do you think this is?

I think, for myself, it's easy to say to a kid: The Empire is evil.  Look, they're wearing black and shooting the good guys.  My requirements from the story teller are pretty low.  The storyteller says they're evil?  Fine, they're evil.  It's a pretty simple concept for high fantasy story telling.

But I think the onus on the prequels is to better explain what makes it evil?  In the OT, you can say, "Trust us.  They're evil.  We've seen it."  But when it's a new concept to the characters in the PT, it seems like you need to show people more that it's evil.  And taxing trade routes is probably not the most effective way of doing that.

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