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20-Nov-2010, 10:04 PM

Kudos to the Pack.Rat.Pack.People who helped made this thread informative and those that will stumble upon and inform some more.

Am in the process of learning about the original presentation of these films by examining ‘Theater Performance’ recordings.  Would like to identify aspects of this presentation method which no longer exists in the subsequent versions.  For instance Reel Change Markers exist no where else.

Outputted the Cue (Motor & Changeover) markers (Reel Change) for reference:
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Reel_Changes/Reel_Changes.html

Personally also curious to see if there are versions in which crowd interaction takes place. Would be great to hear the cheers and jeers of the audience. (especially as the home entertainment versions of the movies take over public precedence) But since most bootlegs were made to get a pristine version of the movie, those will probably be the bulk of the conversation of this thread. So post titles, links anything you find relevant.

–< Extra Credit For Crowd Noise >–

1977 - Star Wars
1977.xx.xx : Star Wars 70mm In-Theater Audio Recording - morgands1
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/1977-70mm-Soundtrack-Recording/topic/5685/
http://www.wideanglecloseup.com/starwarsaudio.html
http://members.aol.com/morgands1/closeup/text/SWaudio.htm (use Wayback Machine :http://www.archive.org/web/web.php)www.archive.org/web/web.php)”)
197x.xx.xx : Star Wars 35mm In-Theater Audio Recording - blitter - Stuart Theatre in Lincoln NE
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/1977-70mm-Soundtrack-Strikes-Back/post/231169/#TopicPost231169
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/1977-70mm-Soundtrack-Strikes-Back/post/248874/#TopicPost248874
1977.xx.xx : Star Wars 70mm In-Theater Audio Recording Loews Astor Plaza, NYC & Loews Orpheum - Belbucus
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/70mm-mix-to-93-mix-comparison/post/242587/
1977.xx.xx : Star Wars Pre-Episode IV Bootleg - MeBeJedi - 77_ANH_BOOTLEG (pan & scan)
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/russdawson/gtf/dvd/OT/1977boot.html
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Does-Anyone-Have-The-Old-Original-Theater-Bootleg-77-Tape/topic/3250/
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1977-77_ANH_BOOTLEG-1.html
1977.xx.xx : Star Wars Pre-Episode IV Bootleg - The Starkiller - SWIVBOOT (pan & scan)
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Does-Anyone-Have-The-Old-Original-Theater-Bootleg-77-Tape/post/172311/#TopicPost172311
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1977-SWIVBOOT-1.html
1977.xx.xx : Star Wars Pre-Episode IV Bootleg - TREADWELL TWC326 - SWIVBOOT (pan & scan)
http://noneinc.com/TWC/TWC-index.html#TWC326
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Treadwell-Collection/topic/12627/
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1977-TWC326_SWB-1.html
1977.xx.xx : Pre.A.New.Hope.Bootleg.Telecine.WS.Mot3r.version.XVID - mthr (widescreen)
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Pre-ANH-bootleg-telecine-a-widescreen-version/topic/6994/
http://originaltrilogy.com/fan-edits/fan-project-details.cfm/Workprints-and-Bootlegs/title/Star-Wars/project/36/category/8/
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1977-mthr-swtc1.html
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1977-PreANH-WS-BOOTLEG1-1.html
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1977-PreANH-WS-BOOTLEG2-1.html
1977.xx.xx : German Bootleg - Pre-Episode IV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPzeZkUyfAg
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1977-Krieg_der_Sterne-ultrara.html
1978.04.24 : Star Wars 70mm In-Theater Audio Recording - L.Mayer (Mrs. BrianM) - D.C. Crowd Interaction
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Closest-to-1977-release/post/216375/#TopicPost216375
CIhttp://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Theater-Performance-Preservations/post/470206/#TopicPost470206 [Crowd Interaction Notes]
1977.xx.xx : Star Wars 70mm In-Theater Audio Recording - BrianM - San Diego
1977.xx.xx : Star Wars In-Theater Audio Recording - BFrazer - Colorado (lost)
1977.xx.xx : Star Wars In-Theater Audio Recording - Scofield version - Cine Capri. Phoenix, Arizona
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Is-this-amateur-audio-recording-of-any-use/post/568973/#TopicPost568973
1978.xx.xx : Star Wars Bootleg VHS - PS78
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/NEW-possibly-2nd-Generation-77-78-Bootleg/topic/14341/
1977.xx.xx : Star Wars In-Theater Audio Recording - William Forsche
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxBafn2t5v4

Honorable Mentions:
1977.xx.xx : Star Wars 16mm Telecine Transfer - Puggo GRANDE [16mm]
http://www.hardbat.com/puggo/home.html
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Puggo-GRANDE-16mm-restoration/topic/9752/
1977.xx.xx : Pre.A.New.Hope.Bootleg.Telecine - catnap source (widescreen) [16mm]
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Pre-ANH-bootleg-telecine-a-widescreen-version/post/365264/#TopicPost365264
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1977-Catnap-1.html
1977.xx.xx : Stjärnornas Krig 16mm Telecine Transfer - Puggo [16mm Swedish transfer]
http://www.hardbat.com/puggo/home.html
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Stj-rnornas-Krig-Swedish-16mm-print/topic/11896/
1977.xx.xx : Star Wars / Empire Strikes Back Super-8 Transfer - The Puggo Edition
http://www.hardbat.com/puggo/home.html
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-Puggo-Edition-webpage-and-screenshots/topic/6830/
1979.xx.xx : Star Wars - Airlines copy
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Closest-to-1977-release/post/221353/#TopicPost221353

1980 - Empire Strikes Back
1980.xx.xx : ESB 70mm In-Theater Audio Recording - morgands1
http://www.wideanglecloseup.com/starwarsaudio.html
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/ESB-70mm-Soundtrack-1980-in-theatre-recording/topic/12501/page/1/
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/ESB-1980-70mm-soundtrack-In-theatre-recording/topic/12505/
1980.xx.xx : ESB_TP Betamax - Video_Collector (Qatar)
http://home.online.no/~frinilse/starwarsonvideo/ (Betamax - bottom)
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1980-ESB_TP-1.html
1980.xx.xx : ESB VHS NYC
http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/39615#comment_2428908
1981.xx.xx : ESB 1981 Betamax Bootleg
http://forums.dealmac.com/read.php?1,1946060,1946278,report=1
1980.xx.xx : ESB Drive-In
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=17039&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=1918727
1980.xx.xx : ESB Drive-In Audio
http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/23797/1/EMPIRE-STRIKES-BACK-IS-30–WE-THAT-SAW-IT-WELL-BEST-NOT-TO-DWELL-ON-AGE/Page1.html
1980.xx.xx : ESB In-Theater Audio Recording - Scofield version - Cine Capri. Phoenix, Arizona
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Is-this-amateur-audio-recording-of-any-use/post/568973/#TopicPost568973

Honorable Mentions:
1980.xx.xx : ESB 16mm Telecine Transfer - Puggo Strikes Back [16mm widescreen (‘scope’) print]
http://www.hardbat.com/puggo/home.html
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Puggo-Strikes-Back/topic/12548/

1983 - Return of the Jedi
1983.xx.xx : ROTJ_TP Betamax Cropped/Pan/Scan - Video_Collector (Qatar)
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1983-ROTJ_TP-1.html
1983.xx.xx : ROTJ VHS Cropped/Pan/Scan - TREADWELL TWC328
http://noneinc.com/TWC/TWC-index.html#TWC328
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Treadwell-Collection/topic/12627/
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1983-TWC328_ROTJB-1.html
1983.06.18 : Hastings UK £5,000 REWARD Bounty
http://www.starwarsmovieposter.com/popups/ukrotjreward.htm

1997 - Special Editions

ANH
Star Wars Engrish - Special Edition???
http://www.opticalsin.com/sw_engrish/main_anh.html
ESB

RotJ
1997.xx.xx : RotJ:SE Chinese bootleg awesomely bad subtitles!
http://www.oocities.com/e3s/stubblecat.html

Honorable Mentions:
1995.xx.xx : Return of the Jedi SE Workprint (temp tracks) Avid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqRmWI6VAtc (ending)

1999 - The Phantom Menace
1998.11.13 : TPM Trailer attached to ‘Meet Joe Black’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqcrzE9pZOQ&feature=player_embedded
1999.05.xx : ‘Z’ (TPM1&2.mpg 650mb)
http://jona82.tripod.com/
http://shkspr.mobi/blog/index.php/2009/05/the-10th-aniversary-of-the-death-of-the-modern-film-industry/
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1999-TPMZ-1.html
1999.05.xx : TPMVHSNYC - New York City VHS Bootleg
http://noneinc.com/TPMVHSNYC/TPMVHSNYC-index.html
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1999-TPMVHSNYC-1.html
1999.05.xx : The Phantom Menace Cam - TREADWELL TWC240
http://noneinc.com/TWC/TWC-index.html#TWC240
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1999-TWC240_TPMB-1.html
1999.05.xx : Dis-man
http://www.justice.gov/criminal/cybercrime/spatafore.htm
1999.05.xx : ‘AB’

2002 - Attack of the Clones
2002.05.08 : AotC Yoda (Spider-Man) Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLZ5IDVxsBs&feature=related
2002.05.10 : TS.CD1&2.FTF- telesync
http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/41232-Attack-of-the-Clones-on-the-net
http://sharereactor.com/release/1660-star-wars-2-attack-of-the-clones-2002-telesync-ftf.htm
2002.05.22 : Star.Wars.Episode.II.Attack.of.the.Clones.SVCD-Centropy AKA CTP (3 bin/cue)
2002.05.xx : starwars.ep2cd1&2.mpg
2002.05.xx : Cinema (ep2a/b.mpg)
–Might be same as “starwars.ep2cd1&2.mpg”
2002 - Attack of the Clones IMAX

2005 - Revenge of the Sith
2005.05.22 : Star Wars Episode III - TUN-sith (CDx3)
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/2005-TUN-sith1.html
2005.05.29 : Star Wars Episode III Revenge of the Sith - Cyrillic Crawl (camcd1&2) [might be same as 3bin/cue version]
2005.05.xx : Star.Wars.Episode.III.Revenge.of.the.Sith.TC.XviD-MoF
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/2005-mof-sith-1.html
2005.05.xx : aAF ep3 digital projection rip

Honorable Mentions:
2005.05.17 : Star.Wars.Episode.3.Revenge.of.the.Sith.WP.DVDR-ViSA [Workprint]
http://filesharingtalk.com/threads/95865-Star-Wars-Episode-III-Revenge-of-the-Sith-%28WP%29
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/2005-ROTSViSA-1.html
2005.05.19 : Star.Wars.Episode.3.Revenge.of.the.Sith.WP.DVDR-ViSA [Workprint] OAR (Original Aspect Ratio)
::http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/2005-ROTSOAR-1.html

2008 - The Clone Wars
2008.08.19 : Star.Wars.The.Clone.Wars SceneAccess
2008.08.20 : Star.Wars.The.Clone.Wars.TS.mVCD-DCvCD - The Dark Carnival (nfo 08.29??)
2008.08.21 : Star.Wars.The.Clone.Wars.READ.NFO.TS.XviD-COALiTiON (.nfo 08.29??)
2008.08.25 : Star.Wars.The.Clone.Wars 2BROTHERs (German Audio)
2008.08.xx : Star.Wars.The.Clone.Wars.2008.TELESYNC.XviD-TRADINGSTANDARDS
2008.08.xx :Star.Wars.The.Clone.Wars.TS.MD.German.XViD-CPG
2008.08.xx :Star.Wars.The.Clone.Wars.FRENCH.TS.MD.XviD-WaTeRMaRK

2015 - Star Wars - The Force Awakens
http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/921897#TopicPost921897

2016 - Star Wars - Rogue One
http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1172215#TopicPost1172215

2017 - Star Wars - The Last Jedi
http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1206044#TopicPost1206044

2018 - Solo : A Star Wars Story
http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1322036#TopicPost1322036

2019 - Star Wars - The Rise of Skywalker
http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1322037#TopicPost1322037

EDIT

Am looking for leads, comments alluding to other recordings.  If you’ve got the name/location of some old SW forum which might have a searchable archive, please post or pm, will do some searching to find someone who might have spilled the beans about some old recordings.  Also searching through books/magazines/newspapers/tv reports for information which describes the larger context.  For instance each movie had someone prosecuted so those kind of stories, also Copyright Law Journals talk about the instances and give odd details like how many copies of each film were lost/stolen when in theaters.

For those rejects interested: ((pl1x@earthlink.net))