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Molly's avatar
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I'm not really feeling like buying a new player, I got this one two years ago for about $80, does what I need it to.

Moll.

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

yanksno1's avatar
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Zion, just watched the menu, and how! That's awesome dude. Great work.

Just curious, what's the status of your set? How far off till completion?
Zion's avatar
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At this point I've abandoned my own capture and I'm going to be working on Laserman's "X0" capture. As soon as I get the files from him I'll get to work on it. But until then, I'm concentrating on the DVD menus...

"Ratio Tile, the wish power are together with you." - Allah Gold, Backstroke of the West

wadetv's avatar
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Once you get the capture what enhancements are you going to do?
Zion's avatar
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Depends on what shape the video is in. If it needs sharpening or denoising, I'll do that. Other than that I'll be doing color correction and spot removal.

For ANH, most likely I'll be doing two angles for the crawl, where one is the "A New Hope" crawl and the other is the original. Sabers will be redone also. What I'd really like to do is one of those seamless branching things where you can choose to view the film with or without my video enhancements. We'll see how that goes.

"Ratio Tile, the wish power are together with you." - Allah Gold, Backstroke of the West

eDroj's avatar
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Zion are you going with the DVD+R DL approach or the infirior (in terms of storage space) DVD+R/DVD-R?

I think you should go with the DVD+R DL discs, to maximize the quality of the source and to incorparate goodies..... like the motion menu that you are working on.... very nice job!

The ones that find the DVD+R DL discs to be to big or a problem can always shrink them with appropriate software. So the will fit on a DVD+R/DVD-R.

Keep up the good work!

Edit: Went thru the last pages of this thread and saw that you are going for the DVD+R DL approach so my question is not relevant any more.....
Do, or do not. There is no try.
DVD-BOY's avatar
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Zion,

Seamless branching isn't possible on any kit (unless you know somthing I don't...) but if you just want to highlight the changes you've made, and aren't making the scenes any longer, you should be able to use the angle feature as you intend for the opening crawl.

I haven't tried this myself mind you, but I'm pretty sure if you set the video to angle 2, it will keep this through the whole movie, even the parts without a second angle (It's as if the 1st angle fills in the blanks in the 2nd angle if that makes sense!)

With regards to burning DL discs, I heard setting the book type to DVD-ROM can help, as can burning via DVD-Decrypter: something about burning from an ISO file means the layer breaks gets put where you author it, while just using Nero means it fills the entire first layer, before going onto the 2nd layer. Also the cell the layer break is put on has to be flagged as non-seamless, which Neror may or may not do.

Oh, and I too love the menus !!

DVD-Boy


ChainsawAsh's avatar
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Originally posted by: zion
Depends on what shape the video is in. If it needs sharpening or denoising, I'll do that. Other than that I'll be doing color correction and spot removal.

For ANH, most likely I'll be doing two angles for the crawl, where one is the "A New Hope" crawl and the other is the original. Sabers will be redone also. What I'd really like to do is one of those seamless branching things where you can choose to view the film with or without my video enhancements. We'll see how that goes.


While I really like to hear the pre-ANH version, I have two concerns/questions:

1. The sabers. I say leave them be, or at least put them in as alternate angles or something that can be chosen as well because my take, especially on a pre-ANH version, is to preserve the original video and audio as much as possible, which leads me to my next point.

2. Soundtrack. Since there is a VHS tecline that I hear has a quite good copy of the original mono track and MeBeJedi is working to synch this with the video, will you be using this? I'd strongly suggest that as at least an option, as I'd love to hear all the old changes and this would be in line with preserving the original as much as possible.

But this is your set so of course I'm leaving this entirely up to you - it's not like I have any say in it anyway, haha, but I don't want you to think I'm pulling a DanielB and bitching at you for not doing it my way.
Stuckmiru's avatar
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I know this is a bit off topic but this is amazing what you guys are doing with the laser disks and the various restoration projects here. I was wondering where those who are doing all the work on the movie got the skills to do what they do. Was it self taught?

Oh yeah Zion awesome project and i really like the site.
Zion's avatar
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Most of the stuff I know I learned just to be able to do this project. Before taking this on, I had no idea how to use programs like AVISynth, After Effects, and Premiere. For me, half the fun is learning the software.

"Ratio Tile, the wish power are together with you." - Allah Gold, Backstroke of the West

Zion's avatar
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Ash, you just made me realize that I never commented on your post. Sorry about that.

Anyway, if and when I decide to do a purist version (which may be sooner than you think ), I'm going all the way and doing everything possibe to make it look and sound like the '77 version. Sorry to confuse you. My ultimate edition ANH DVD would have both the purist version with original crawl, mono track, and no video touch-ups save for your basic noise filters and spot removal, as well as the touched up version with fixed effects and 5.1 audio.

"Ratio Tile, the wish power are together with you." - Allah Gold, Backstroke of the West

ADigitalMan's avatar
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cigarette burns too?
I am fluent in over six million forms of procrastination.
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This is pretty off-topic, but:

Originally posted by: DVD-BOY
Zion,

Seamless branching isn't possible on any kit (unless you know somthing I don't...)


http://www.tfdvdedit.com

Pretty cool, if you've got a thousand bucks and a G4...

Zion's avatar
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This is the method I was going to try: doom9 seamless branching in Scenarist.

"Ratio Tile, the wish power are together with you." - Allah Gold, Backstroke of the West

Dr_Gonzo's avatar
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Originally posted by: mistertones
http://www.tfdvdedit.com

Pretty cool, if you've got a thousand bucks and a G4...


I've got TFDVDEdit version 2. It's kind of like IFOEdit.
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DVD-BOY's avatar
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I must admit I've never fully tried doom9's Scenarist guide for seamless branching - I'm more of a Spruce Maestro man myself with very limited playtime on either Scenarist or Creator.

As I understand it, seamless branching is possible due to the video being encoded and multiplexed together in a very specific way, which is why the only system that can do it is a proprietary Toshiba Encoding / Authoring system - somebody please correct me if I'm wrong. Sonic have never annouced that Scenarist can do true seamless branching, otherwise they would have been shouting it from the rooftops. I believe they can do seamless multi-angle, but as already stated that is based upon the streams being the same length.

TFDVDEdit. Before I say anymore, Dr Gonzo, I love your DVD set, and so far it is the only set I have downloaded.

Now everyone I've spoken to about TFDVDEdit, have said that Trai Forrester is full of Bantha Poodoo, and is trying to build an elite 'club' with his software. From his website he promises that his software does alot, but then it's a case of "If you have a problem once you've bought it, TOUGH - NO REFUNDS". Don't get me wrong, I've read up on his seamless branching article, and have been excited by it, but various people I've then spoken to, who have both met the guy and been in the DVD Industry for a long time, have not said the nicest of things about him. Again, I'd be happy for someone to prove me wrong.

Speaking of which, has anyone tried a 'seamless branching test', say for example a 10 minute segment around jabba in ANH?

Zion, seamless branching on not, between Laserman's video capture and your menus, this sounds like one niiice dvd set.

DVD-Boy


Zion's avatar
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I intend to try it out very soon (the doom9 method). I'll post the results.

"Ratio Tile, the wish power are together with you." - Allah Gold, Backstroke of the West

DarkGruson's avatar
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Zion,

Jeff here.

I sent you an email through your site. Please get back to me.
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hips here, Zion. I too am interested in seeing your project. Send me either an E-mail or private message.

Past projects:

SUPERMAN: Salkind International Cut

DUNE: Hybrid theatrical/syndication/Channel Two cut

CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND: The Complete Edition

STAR WARS: Files From The Empire series (supplements from the Definitive LaserDisc Box Set)

 

Under consideration:

JOURNEY BACK TO OZ: Extended Television Version Reconstruction

CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND: The Criterion Collection Supplements

ChainsawAsh's avatar
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Originally posted by: zion
Ash, you just made me realize that I never commented on your post. Sorry about that.

Anyway, if and when I decide to do a purist version (which may be sooner than you think ), I'm going all the way and doing everything possibe to make it look and sound like the '77 version. Sorry to confuse you. My ultimate edition ANH DVD would have both the purist version with original crawl, mono track, and no video touch-ups save for your basic noise filters and spot removal, as well as the touched up version with fixed effects and 5.1 audio.


All right! That's exactly what I'd want - I'd like a purist version and an updated "capturing the experience" version. That's a great idea.
Molly's avatar
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I have, you want?

Moll.

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

Zion's avatar
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I most certainly would love to get my hands on those fonts, as I've alredy begun work on reconstructing the crawl in After Effects. Send me a PM Moll.

Daniel, keep in mind that when using angles, you have to split the bandwidth between them. Half the bandwidth may be unnoticable for things like credits and the opening crawl, but when it comes to the rest of the film I'd rather not do it. That is the reason why I'm persuing the branching method instead. I'm going to try out the doom9 technique and see if I can make it work. If not, I may have to resort to angles, but I really don't want to do that unless I absolutely have to.

(Off topic again, but this is really wierd. Whenever I edit a post in a sticky thread it sends it to the top of the list. These Mod abilities have made me powerful...)

"Ratio Tile, the wish power are together with you." - Allah Gold, Backstroke of the West

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Originally posted by: DanielB
Zottig, just so you know the +R format is not a standard DVD format (the reason Mol's player doesn't work with them).


"DVD+R, a recordable DVD format that along with its rival DVD-R, is 100% DVD compliant as specified by the DVD Consortium (a group comprised of the ten companies who originated the DVD format). "

While you are correct that the +R format isn't officially sanctioned, it is 100% compatable to the DVD standard.

There are several references to that fact online. The problem is that there is a flag that the player uses to identify the disc. The flags are "DVD-ROM", "DVD+R", and "DVD-R" as well as ones for the RW flavors. IF the player is old, or the manufacturer is being pissy/cheap the player may not allow (or understand) anything other than the DVD-ROM flag or may allow some but not all of them.

Again, as DVD-Rs are pressed with that designation at the factory, you're stuck if it doesn't work, however, with the plus (+) format you can tell the burner to "lie" and write "DVD-ROM" to the disc describer bit. That's why it's called bitsetting. At that point, it should work as the reflectivity of +R discs is 100% in line with the DVD consortium's standards.

Ben
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