obikal said:

Absolutely, I will agree that a Jedi having a red lightsaber is a very radical idea for a fanedit. 

Personally, however, I am a fan of these visual cues, even such simplistic ones.  It would solidify his character to the audience at the end of the movie and show that it's tragic the good guys are fighting "another good guy" without having to say it again.  If he whipped out a red lightsaber, the average Star Wars audience member would think, "Oh, maybe he was bad this whole time..."  Then their Star Wars guru friend (everyone has one) would have to explain that just because it's red it doesn't mean he's bad... 

On that note, hypothetically, if you would keep the Episode 2 Geonosis arena with all of the Jedi, would you change some of their saber colors to red as well?  Would it be a normal choice at that point for Jedi or would it be something rare in the films, to see a Jedi with a red lightsaber (during this period in the Republic)?  I know the movies pretty well, but almost nothing of the EU so I don't know the details behind having red over the others - just curious.

Having said all that, fanedits aren't exactly for the average Star Wars audience member, are they, and this is the radical ideas thread...  ;)

Your Rogue Jedi idea for Dooku; is it similar to what I remember reading before/wrote above or was it something different?  I'd like to hear more about that if you have thought about it some more.

My ideas for Dooku aren't too different from what has been covered in the thread before, though I did come up with the concept independently. I would put back in his scene with Amidala where he tries to get her to join the Separatists, cut his duel with Yoda (Yoda should never be seen with a lightsaber. Wars not make one great.), and take out the scene between him and Sidious at the end of Ep2 (obviously). I'm definitely opposed to having them develop the Death Star (they're trying to secede, not conquer). This really isn't hard, per se, but just takes some smart editing. I'm uncertain if he should use Force lightning. I can see arguments for and against it.

Mostly, my ideas are aimed towards what can be accomplished without tons and tons of work. I'm not opposed to rotoscoping Dooku's saber a different color, but it's easier just to leave it as is. It's the same reason I call them the Trayd Federation. Simply changing the spelling in the crawl eliminates the need to redub anything. It's much smarter for the Trayd Federation to be talking with the Bann-Kin Union and the Kommers Guild. It would be easier to add a few red sabers when the Jedi take off their cloaks in the arena than it would be to change major fight scenes.

Regarding lightsabers, I'm not extensively versed in pre-OT, but from what I've read, it seems too regimented for my tastes. What the post-OT books talk about is that the construction of a lightsaber is one of the last tests before being declared a Knight, and the choice of the crystal is a deeply personal decision for the individual Jedi. Corran Horn's grandfather Nejaa Halcyon had one with a silver blade. Corran himself made one with multiple jewels that could double the length, and the blade itself was amethyst (I think). Leia's is red, though I'm not sure it counts because Luke made it for her.

One last note: Even if the average SW audience member might suspect Dooku as being bad, that's preferable to having it spelled out and would give a sense of intrigue to the character which provides depth. The viewer would wonder and think about the character and might even develop a viewpoint that he/she could defend passionately.

Haven't visited these boards in over a year now, but with TPM in theaters again, I finally got round to (trying to) edit the space battle at the end of TPM.

I always liked the design of TPM (not that there was anything else to like), especially the Naboo starfighters (visually and audibly) and the "Death Saturn" (as I like to call it).
By all logic, that space battle should have been awesome, but I have only seen it once or twice as I really just can't stand the way it plays out.

This was an attempt (more a proof of concept) to see if the battle itself could be made a bit more enjoyable (aka make Anakin a bit less useless/annoying)

Biggest changes:
- Anakin flying a starfighter is now part of the plan
- Anakin no longer arrives late to the battle
- Anakin knows how to fly
- Anakin _decides_ to take out the generator (instead of doing it all by accident)

Don't pay too much attention to the audio; it's a rough cut, and I'm not an editor, so I do mean ROUGH...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWNFfFLnESM

Bo, that was amazing.

And you didn't take out "Now THIS is podracing". Good job.

DarthBo said:

Haven't visited these boards in over a year now, but with TPM in theaters again, I finally got round to (trying to) edit the space battle at the end of TPM.

I always liked the design of TPM (not that there was anything else to like), especially the Naboo starfighters (visually and audibly) and the "Death Saturn" (as I like to call it).
By all logic, that space battle should have been awesome, but I have only seen it once or twice as I really just can't stand the way it plays out.

This was an attempt (more a proof of concept) to see if the battle itself could be made a bit more enjoyable (aka make Anakin a bit less useless/annoying)

Biggest changes:
- Anakin flying a starfighter is now part of the plan
- Anakin no longer arrives late to the battle
- Anakin knows how to fly
- Anakin _decides_ to take out the generator (instead of doing it all by accident)

Don't pay too much attention to the audio; it's a rough cut, and I'm not an editor, so I do mean ROUGH...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWNFfFLnESM

Love it. Although there are a few things I would do slightly differently.

- Anakin flying a starfighter is NOT part of the plan, but he decides he wants to do it, and proves himself to be an exceptional pilot in the end. After all, he is the best starpilot in the galaxy.

- I'd take out the "This is tense!" and the "Aaaaaaaaah!" lines.

Nice work on the space battle, Bo. Is it still meant to be intercut with the other battles?

Something I was thinking about regarding Anakin's turn: could it be possible that Anakin never (or too late) knew Sidious orchestrated the war? This could introduce a bit of ambiguity: when Anakin finds out Palpatine is Sidious, Sidious can lay all the blame on Dooku, and Sidious can present himself as only trying to make the Republic strong to fight it. That he is a Sith Lord and thus evil 'is a point of view'. I think Anakin could identify with this, since he is for 'less deliberating and more fighting'. When Obi-Wan tells Anakin that he too has been deceived by Sidious he would see this as a conformation of what Palpatine has been telling him all along.

I know this would require a lot of tinkering, mostly regarding the clone army's origins and Dooku's involvement, but it might work.

Jair Crawford said:

DarthBo said:

Haven't visited these boards in over a year now, but with TPM in theaters again, I finally got round to (trying to) edit the space battle at the end of TPM.

I always liked the design of TPM (not that there was anything else to like), especially the Naboo starfighters (visually and audibly) and the "Death Saturn" (as I like to call it).
By all logic, that space battle should have been awesome, but I have only seen it once or twice as I really just can't stand the way it plays out.

This was an attempt (more a proof of concept) to see if the battle itself could be made a bit more enjoyable (aka make Anakin a bit less useless/annoying)

Biggest changes:
- Anakin flying a starfighter is now part of the plan
- Anakin no longer arrives late to the battle
- Anakin knows how to fly
- Anakin _decides_ to take out the generator (instead of doing it all by accident)

Don't pay too much attention to the audio; it's a rough cut, and I'm not an editor, so I do mean ROUGH...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWNFfFLnESM

Love it. Although there are a few things I would do slightly differently.

- Anakin flying a starfighter is NOT part of the plan, but he decides he wants to do it, and proves himself to be an exceptional pilot in the end. After all, he is the best starpilot in the galaxy.

- I'd take out the "This is tense!" and the "Aaaaaaaaah!" lines.

Actually, Anakin being part of the plan is genius. Shows how much faith Qui-Gon has in the kid, and makes his actions less suicidal.

Does anyone know of good footage of Ian McDiarmid outside of Star Wars? My plan is to restructure everything into one defend-the-planet movie, with the kidnapping of Palpatine taking place near the end and the killing of Dooku becoming the true turn to the dark side event.

Vladius said:

Does anyone know of good footage of Ian McDiarmid outside of Star Wars? My plan is to restructure everything into one defend-the-planet movie, with the kidnapping of Palpatine taking place near the end and the killing of Dooku becoming the true turn to the dark side event.

 He's in "Elizabeth" the miniseries with Helen Mirren. He's even in a robe!

MrInsaneA said:

Jair Crawford said:

DarthBo said:

Haven't visited these boards in over a year now, but with TPM in theaters again, I finally got round to (trying to) edit the space battle at the end of TPM.

I always liked the design of TPM (not that there was anything else to like), especially the Naboo starfighters (visually and audibly) and the "Death Saturn" (as I like to call it).
By all logic, that space battle should have been awesome, but I have only seen it once or twice as I really just can't stand the way it plays out.

This was an attempt (more a proof of concept) to see if the battle itself could be made a bit more enjoyable (aka make Anakin a bit less useless/annoying)

Biggest changes:
- Anakin flying a starfighter is now part of the plan
- Anakin no longer arrives late to the battle
- Anakin knows how to fly
- Anakin _decides_ to take out the generator (instead of doing it all by accident)

Don't pay too much attention to the audio; it's a rough cut, and I'm not an editor, so I do mean ROUGH...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWNFfFLnESM

Love it. Although there are a few things I would do slightly differently.

- Anakin flying a starfighter is NOT part of the plan, but he decides he wants to do it, and proves himself to be an exceptional pilot in the end. After all, he is the best starpilot in the galaxy.

- I'd take out the "This is tense!" and the "Aaaaaaaaah!" lines.

Actually, Anakin being part of the plan is genius. Shows how much faith Qui-Gon has in the kid, and makes his actions less suicidal.

Nah, man. I think it should be Anakin's decision. It makes more sense and makes the scene more intense. Cause you don't know what's gonna happen, what that kid has gotten himself into. If it's already pre-seen and predicted by Qui-Gon then the tension is lost cause we know for a fact that that old dude knows what's up.

That's what I think, anyways.

But either way, this is an awesome edit. A serious improvement over the original!

Kudos!

It's not spelled out, but I think he knows. He knows of Palpatine's connection to the Trade Federation, and the fact that the Jedi Council was looking for a Sith Lord. He should have been smart enough to connect the dots, even though ROTS Anakin isn't the smartest :p Personally, I'd like to see it emphasized that Anakin didn't know of Palpatine's manipulation of the war.

The latter could be acomplished by miniatures I guess. Would this include ecounters with monsters and stuff?

Anyone seen this? Some great (if verging on impossible to execute) ideas...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgICnbC2-_Y&feature=g-u-u&context=G2e07b37FUAAAAAAAAAA

I admit I had to google that, but the resemblance is *uncanny*! 

I've always been a fan of Maul surviving, possibly into the form of Grievous to have a showdown with Kenobi. Interestingly enough, it seems the Clone Wars series is exploring at least some of this concept....

http://www.usatoday.com/life/comics/story/2012-02-23/Darth-Maul-debuts-in-Star-Wars-Clone-Wars/53221760/1