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RE: The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread

i would vote to remove any noticable features of sidious so its actually a surprise when his true identity is revealed. would be cool to have dooku in his place on TPM, and to do away with the rule of the two.

ben_danger's avatar
RE: The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread

cool! id love it if we made a community rough, low res beta edit. i like the ideas for sure.

 

it would be good to have the sidious scene from the end of AOTC as a "OMG, it cant be! scene"

Last edited on November 8, 2008 at 11:23 PM by ben_danger
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RE: The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread

It's been mentioned elsewhere-Make it one epic movie (with an intermission!) where Obi-wan Kenobi is the main character. (the guy who's just trying to do the right thing and clean up everyone else's mess while his friend turns evil (sorta like The Dark Knight)

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I say redub all of Anakin's lines but don't touch Obi-Wan's. Ewan does a great job imo.

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I've been thinking a lot about Ady's comment of not having Threepio in the prequels until he shows up as Padme's assistant in RotS.  It kind of makes sense.  I mean, in TPM, Threepio is revealed, intruduced, makes a few comments, and is left behind.  In other words, pointless fan service.  In AotC, Threepio is kidnapped from his home and taken to an alien planet where he gets into trouble, beheaded, and makes bad puns.  Fan service.  He still doesn't do anything in RotS, but that may be the beauty of it.  He doesn't do anything but help Padme.  Then as her assistant he is forced into working on Tantive IV with R2-D2, and that's where they become friends for the next 20 years.

I think that all of the fan service should go.  Yoda's lightsaber battle with Dooku, Chewbacca, "you're going to be the death of me", "I have a bad feeling about this", everything.  Admittedly, I thought all of these things were cool when I first saw the PT but the more I thought about it, the more I realized that Lucas was trying to make his new movies better by drawing direct comparisons with the old ones.  Now I think that if the prequels can't stand without their silly references to the OT, then they don't deserve to stand at all.

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This is probably well beyond the scope of any re-edit, but it bothers me that the main thing the Jedi have against the Emperor is that he's a Sith lord.

General Greivous dies, then the Jedi go full battle ready to arrest the man. Is being a Sith lord technicaly illegal? They have no proof or evidence that he's done anything wrong. The man doesn't even have a single session of the Senate to renounce his emergency powers. It just seemed really rushed.

 

Honestly, I don't mind TPM, although about 60% less Jar Jar would be nice.

AOTC is just unpleasent to watch. I hate Annakin the entire time, and they never actually solve the mystery Obi-Wan is investigating.

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RE: The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
TheBoost said:

Honestly, I don't mind TPM, although about 60% less Jar Jar would be nice.

Or 100% less Jar Jar... You seriously enjoyed TPM more than AOTC? Wow, I liked Hayden Christensen like 5 times more than Jake Lloyd and he was soo annoying in AOTC. I found he was alright in ROTS though.

 

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Okay, here's a whole big truck load of ideas I've had as well as some ideas I've seen floating around elsewhere, the creators of which I can't really remember.


* First of all, much can be done with a altered opening crawl. So many details can be changed and the whole style of the film can be completely altered. Let me give you some examples on how this can be done with an example of an altered opening crawl for The Phantom Menace:


It is an age of tension in the GALACTIC REPUBLIC.

The nefarious GALACTIC FEDERATION, an alliance of

power-hungry war lords, has mysteriously appeared

and spreads it's influence across the galaxy. Once shielded

by the brave JEDI KNIGHTS the old republic now crumbles from

within and without.


Now, the mercenary Federation has blockaded the peaceful

world of Alderaan seeking to place the helpless world under

their domination. With war looming ever closer, the Chancellor

of the republic has sent two Jedi Knights to negotiate with the

Federation in the hopes that peace can be maintained...


* Okay, so there's a few things to note about that opening. First of all, the federation is no longer involved with trade. They're simply the claw of Palpatine, an organisation of mysterious origin seeking to conquer the galaxy. The old republic is already crumbling, so it's final downfall is already being orchestrated. This gives the series a certain darkness that is generally absent from the prequels, or at least the first two. Naboo is retitled "Alderaan", giving the planet some sense of relevance next to the original series. You could argue that Naboo doesn't look like Alderaan, but you have to realise that this fan edit would constitute and alternate canon. The more high-tech cities of Alderaan undoubtedly exist, but away from the magnificent and historical palace of it's royalty featured here.

* Also, some creative voice editing can be used to make reference appear to Alderaan actually in the film. For example Panaka mentions later that a senator from Alderaan is being considered for the position of chancellor. Use this sound bite earlier in the film and Panaka could in fact say "Alderaan has no army!" as opposed to "We have no army!". I think this works even better, because we know this to be true from the original series as well.

* Next of all, alien languages. The Neimodians are not the least bit intimidating. Some solutions have been suggested for this, but one of the best and most interesting I've seen is to take dialogue from the likes of Passion of Christ and Apocalypto which both feature obscure and (I think, not 100% certain) dead languages. This is a great improvement and gives the editor a lot of freedom when rewriting the dialogue of the Neimodians.

* Next, droids. Rather than speak any recognisable language, they should perhaps speak a garbled techno-babble like the probe droid of Empire Strikes Back. It might make them slightly more intimidating. Another positive change, I think, would be to recolor the droids to gray and their tanks from brown to black. Star Wars has consistently used conflict between nature and technology as a theme, but the naturalistic browns and beige colors don't exactly help emphasise that. If changed they could not only look more intimidating but also help reflect that theme, as they would stick out as very robotic and alien whilst crunching around the forests of "Alderaan".

* Here's a little detail I think could help improve the prequels connection to the original series. It's a just a little one, but instead of the Trade Federation ship using that odd aqua-like and rather gratuatious bubble thing to communicate with Amidala, they could instead use a screen like that used by Vader in Empire Strikes Back. Y'know, that scene where he chokes the admiral using the force. A flash of static, the familiar activation noise and then the reveal of Amidala; it would add a little bit of a familiar ambiance to the scene, I think.

* Jar Jar completely rotoscoped out. Yep. GONE. Along with the Gungans in general. No more.

* I may seem to be hitting the same button again, but I also believe that Naboo starfighters should be changed to gray or a more mechanical color. As it is, they look rather like toys more than tangible star fighters as in the original series. A color alteration could help with that.

* The young Anakin Skywalker is actually a very quiet boy. A very quiet boy. In fact, he's so quiet and introverted and thoughtful most of his lines are no longer appropriate. He's tuning into the force, or something. Any reason at all. Anything to justify removing a bunch of his lines.

* Perhaps Wato should be given the Neimodian treatment too? Except his lips may be too articulate, unlike the Neimodians...Hmm. It would certainly work, as he could make more references to the treatment of slaves in order to increase the sense of villainy. Maybe.

* All lightsabers, excluding Sith lightsabers, should be changed blue. Why? Because then Luke's new lightsaber in Return of the Jedi has some meaning. It's the beginning of a new dawn for the Jedi. Whereas in the old republic they used blue sabers, in the new republic they will use green just as the founder Luke did. I think that would be neat.

That's all I can think of for The Phantom Menace. I was thinking that maybe Dooku could be introduced via Holograms to give his character greater purpose, but somehow I just don't feel there's space for that if the narrative of the first film is to remain uncluttered. Also, I quite like the idea of Grievous being the remains of Darth Maul. Perhaps he could even have Maul-like symbols pasted onto his body? Maybe? I just feel that Maul needed better treatment. I was expecting (and I think fans and the public were expecting it too) that Maul would be the primary antagonist of the prequel series, before he was cut-down in his youth rather like poor, poor Fett.

 

Anyway, there's my ideas....

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RE: The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread

This is probably well beyond the scope of any re-edit, but it bothers me that the main thing the Jedi have against the Emperor is that he's a Sith lord.

General Greivous dies, then the Jedi go full battle ready to arrest the man. Is being a Sith lord technicaly illegal? They have no proof or evidence that he's done anything wrong. The man doesn't even have a single session of the Senate to renounce his emergency powers. It just seemed really rushed.

And they have no record of the Sith doing any wrong for 1000 years or so :)


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look at Johnny Ringo, man.  If I had to go against that guy it would be an Indiana Jones\Dovchenko event - and I'd be hoping like hell for a bunch of ants.

Molly's avatar
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Aramaic's still alive...

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

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The Jedi dont care about proof of Sith evil they will destroy the Sith 1st and worry about everything else next.

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RE: The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
Molly said:

Aramaic's still alive...

 

I honestly haven't seen the Passion, so I wasn't really sure what language it was they spoke in it. I knew it was either an endangered or extinct language. In any case, Wikipedia has just revealed that native Aramaic speakers found the use of Aramaic in the passion to be "stunted and unfamiliar" meaning it's usage as an alien rather than terrestrial language is slightly more justified.

Any similarities can simply be explained away as being merely similar, like the way Ewokese is sometimes similar to Tagalog and Swedish.

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Yeah but how would you handle that Amidala and Bail are senators of the same planet?

 

Molly's avatar
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Two per?

Not illogical, the US works that way...

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will's avatar
RE: The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread

I agree with Bingowings about Jango Fett.   In the edit I'm working on, Jango and Boba are not father and clone, but instead mysterious Mandalorian warriors and bounty hunters.  Jango is also not the clone template.

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RE: The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
TheoOdo said:

Naboo is retitled "Alderaan"

YES!

 

wouldnt it seem random that the emperor would blow up his own home world though? or would it make sence that he is the senator of some random planet called naboo, who is just helping out amidala. perhaps it could be implied that Sio Bibble is senator through alien subtitles and he stays in order to let the queen go. i cant remember if organa is in TPM or not.

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/e/eb/Sio_Bibble.jpg

 

i would also suggest that coruscant scenes are perhaps replaced/re toned to appear more like ROTS, which has a much moodier and dramatic palette.

 

maybe TPM could be retrofied like Shroud of the Dark Side. Little touches like making the red republic cruiser at the beginning white (like the millenium falcon concepts it was based off) i would be happy to see darth maul become darth grevious.:)

 

i like the the expanded trade fed ideas, like having geonosians on tatooine.

 

anakins lightsaber should be a lighter blue in the PT?

 

IMPOSSIBLE REQUESTS

 

here are a selection of ideas that i wouldnt expect ady to pull off in a million years, but would love to see:

 

  • consistent naboo ship types, so we get the millenium falcon of the PT

or better

  • a new condition millenium falcon being used instead. i know it sounds silly, but it would have been a nice touch to have something objective like that being a tie through. but impossible. the trusty old bird.
  • consistent jedi starfighters, or maybe even being replaced with something like A-Wings (someone mentioned having rebel starcraft as republic starcraft)
  • tie fighters, or something resembelling them more. the clones wernt too far off stormtroopers, as the cruisers wernt far off star destroyers, but no tie fighters.:(
Last edited on November 11, 2008 at 7:31 PM by ben_danger
will's avatar
RE: The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread

Does ol' Palpy even need to be from Naboo/Alderaan?

 

 

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RE: The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
TheoOdo said:

Naboo is retitled "Alderaan"

In this case Adywan will need to cut the extra OT SE Naboo shoots in his ROTJ revisited.

I think it's a good idea, but it could cause many editing troubles for a result that, perhaps, don't really worth it.

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