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walking_carpet's avatar
RE: The Phantom Menace

hmmm..don't have video games, but guess it can work.  haven't tried a cartoon - any cartoon or a pixar cartoon?

i was watching Dark Knight blu ray when I saw it and was really unsettling. 

As for Watto, i have to admit he was fun if not as memorable as OT.  If you watch TPM, all the human characters interact better with Watto than they do with each other!!! Natalie was horrible, worthless in this movie but the look she gives watto when they cross paths in the Hangar is priceless. Funny that Watto was one of the only designs that Lucas was hands on.  He gets too much credit for his imagination - usually he just tells art department "make me a creature", "i need planets", "i need a warship", and the after further revisions he signs off.  But apparently the crew was confused about watto, so lucas was more involved. 

Sebulba was fun at first, but then he sucked during the pod race.  He had this deep baritone voice but in the pod race its a screechy high-pitched voice :(   

Rob Coleman spent a lot of time bringing the CGI characters to life.  he probably would have directed the PT movies better than Lucas did, even if he doesn;t have the formal traning.

CWBorne's avatar
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I don't really like Watto, but I will say he and Palpatine are the only characters in the film who's motivations and characteristics make some degree of sense. Other the fact that as slaves go, Shmi seems to not really do anything for him Anakin seems to have way more time and materials than is credible, everything else does fit. He's a sleazy junk trader who likes to bet and thinks he can make some money off some naive off-worlders.

Its simple not particularly meaningful, but compared to most of the other characters its down right Shakespearean. 

georgec's avatar
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I'm surprised at how many people seem to like Watto. I mean, I don't dislike him, but he never stood out to me.

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*satisfied sigh* Another prequel bashing thread? Sign me up!

TPM is certainly the best of the prequels from a certain point of view (real film, actual sets etc. etc.), but it has the worse pacing of any of the three, Jar Jar Binks in a major role, Jake Lloyd, Chinese people Neimodians, terrible art designs (that, admittedly, looked good on paper), and a shit colour palate.

But what makes TPM more worthy of respect than the other prequels is that, warts and all (and there are a lot of warts), it seems to have been following a genuine artistic vision. George is famous for having said "I don't care if I make a piece of art or a piece of shit". Well, with TPM he made a piece of shit. He was confident the movie would make a lot of money, so he could make the film he wanted.

AOTC and ROTS seem to have been made to try and get fans back; they attempt to look more "Star Wars" (include prequel-era version of stormtroopers, Boba Fett etc.) although they actual feel less "Star Wars" than TPM due to excessive and poor use of CGI. I really think George was worried about the box office after all the negative reaction to TPM.

 

 

Last edited on October 7, 2011 at 4:35 PM by theprequelsrule
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One half of Darth Maul is clearly not a fan.

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ARParr's avatar
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I'm opening a huge can of worms in my head here, but...

Without a doubt, many of my thoughts & feelings about TPM have changed drastically over the last twelve-or-so years.  How I felt about it in the beginning, (vs a couple of years after its release), was completely different from how I feel about that film now.

For many reasons, I hated it for years.  To be sure, it still has its faults, but now I appreciate & like it on a number of levels much more than I ever thought I would.

(Ironically, the film that I seem to hate, out of all 6, is AotC...)

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TV's Frink's avatar
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You are far from alone on those thoughts.

silverwheel's avatar
RE: The Phantom Menace

ARParr said:

I'm opening a huge can of worms in my head here, but...

Without a doubt, many of my thoughts & feelings about TPM have changed drastically over the last twelve-or-so years.  How I felt about it in the beginning, (vs a couple of years after its release), was completely different from how I feel about that film now.

For many reasons, I hated it for years.  To be sure, it still has its faults, but now I appreciate & like it on a number of levels much more than I ever thought I would.

(Ironically, the film that I seem to hate, out of all 6, is AotC...)

 

Last edited on October 23, 2011 at 12:09 AM by silverwheel

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Monolithium's avatar
RE: The Phantom Menace

How did the film that has the most Jar Jar and all of the Jake Lloyd become the good one of the prequels?

Since they're like poetry, what with the rhyming and all, I find that I only need to watch three out of the six films.

Wexter's avatar
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Monolithium said:

How did the film that has the most Jar Jar and all of the Jake Lloyd become the good one of the prequels?

Something tells me Lucas and Christensen have something to do with it :)

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Cuchulainn's avatar
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Wexter said:

Monolithium said:

How did the film that has the most Jar Jar and all of the Jake Lloyd become the good one of the prequels?

Something tells me Lucas and Christensen have something to do with it :)

Has anyone seen Jake Lloyd lately?

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Bingowings' avatar
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I'm aware that was a joke but in interviews he comes across as remarkably balanced and intelligent considering all the merry go round of his early life and the crap thrown around his direction during and since.

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TV's Frink's avatar
RE: The Phantom Menace

And let's face it, TPM was in no way his fault. Dude was ten. It's Lucas' job to either direct a good performance out of him, or hire someone better (like either of the other two kids you can see in the TPM DVD doc).

georgec's avatar
RE: The Phantom Menace

This interview makes me sad. Lloyd speaks bluntly about the shit he's taken from people over the years. Had TPM turned out better in a variety of aspects, this kid could have been on top of the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtkM2JPcHPo&feature=related

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Cuchulainn said:

Has anyone seen Jake Lloyd lately?

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Bingowings said:

One half of Darth Maul is clearly not a fan.

Was he the upper or lower half?

Last edited on October 24, 2011 at 3:40 AM by Bring_My_Shuttle

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TV's Frink's avatar
RE: The Phantom Menace

Silly question - you think Maul talks with his legs?

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TV's Frink said:

And let's face it, TPM was in no way his fault. Dude was ten. It's Lucas' job to either direct a good performance out of him, or hire someone better

I agree 100%.  The acting in Phantom was laughably bad at times.  The rest of the time it was just plain hard to watch.  However, in a franchise where a single person has total control of every scene, every line, every camera angle - every single aspect , the onus is on that one person to make something worth watching.  In the case of the Star Wars franchise post-Return, that one person is Lucas. To me, he failed miserably.  Jake Lloyd, while being a terrible child actor reading equally terrible dialogue, was the least of the problems with that film.

That's where Lucas got lucky with the OT.  He happened upon three leads who knew what they were doing.  With Lloyd and Portman, he used two people who have zero depth.  They're script readers who, to me, are incapable of emoting depth.

*edit*

I should point out that I've never seen the last two films, so I'm basing my criticisms of Portman on the one film only. 

 

Last edited on October 24, 2011 at 1:22 PM by Anchorhead

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TV's Frink's avatar
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I've seen plenty of good work by Portman both pre- and post-SW, but we've covered that ground before.

Judging her solely on her TPM performance is like judging me solely on my posts in the Necropost Thread.*

Last edited on October 24, 2011 at 1:26 PM by TV's Frink (Reason: *In that I'm not a raving lunatic...mostly)
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TV's Frink said:

Silly question - you think Maul talks with his legs?

Well, he IS an alien...

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