RU.08
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ty hh, I'll check it out.. quick noob q 4 moth3r... how did u make this mix?
hairy_hen
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Reginald ScumMost of the work was done a few years back by a fellow called Belbucus, who is a professional audio engineer. It is a composite of a few different sources, the main ones being a bootleg video tape telecine of a 35mm print and the other a copy of a 1985 television broadcast. Small sections were also filled in using a mono fold-down of the Dolby Stereo mix, and the music for the main and end titles came from cd releases, dubbed to audio tape and back to digital so their increased clarity compared to the rest of the mix would not be so obvious. Selective noise reduction was applied to reduce the hiss from old and relatively low fidelity sources, and carefully matched in EQ to blend together as one seamless track. And of course it was synched to the GOUT video for ease of use on fan-made dvd projects.
The result is very impressive, particularly considering the source materials available to work with. For a good number of people, the mono mix is their preferred audio for the film, and so this project is a dream come true in that regard.
Moth3r
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<..>If you want to read a summary of how the mix was originally made, check out this page; the relevant section starts about 3/4 of the way down with the paragraph that starts "Variations in the soundtrack presentations..."
The restoration work was carried out by Belbucus, as hairy_hen mentions above (although I don't believe he used the bootleg telecine at all). His work is described in Post 73 of this thread.
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negative1hairy_hen said:
As promised, here is the mono mix in FLAC, this time on megaupload so it'll stay up longer.
ah, megaupload of course went down.
is there another mirror for this?
would appreciate this.
later
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negative1
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negative1ok, looks like we'll have a much
more faithful version of this..
we are using the mono spanish version,
and a mono english version that will
be combined to make a higher quality
version, than the one out there now..
i'll post more details and comparisons
later on..
later
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msycamore
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Great news!
We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions.
Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com
Joel
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Forum EnthusiastIs there any news re: the restored Mono mix mentioned here?
Asaki
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Only news is that -1 and his possé are still working on it.
To help the analysis further, take a look at these close ups of Obi-Wan's beard -- STENDEC
negative1
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negative1it looks like we only have a few reels
that are actually in mono. and will be
reconstructing the rest.
however, the parts we do have will
be of high(er) quality.
later
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Mavimao
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Padawan LearnerAh it's too bad the rest of the reels aren't in Mono!
What's the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.
Asaki
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Puggo Grande is in mono, too, if you can't wait to hear it ;)
To help the analysis further, take a look at these close ups of Obi-Wan's beard -- STENDEC
Mavimao
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Padawan LearnerOh I know, and there's also the Mono restoration track that I've listened to. I guess I was hoping to find a really nice quality version of it.
What's the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.
negative1
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negative1here's an early preview of our reel 1,
of course we are still processing it in
a higher bitrate.. but you get the idea..
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http://soundcloud.com/negative1/star-wars-mono-reel-1-raw
later
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skyjedi2005
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Jedi KnightNevermind.
"Always loved Vader's wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin's ghost. What a fucking shame." -Simon Pegg.
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negative1skyjedi2005 said:
Nevermind.
ok, no problem.
we hope to have a nicely restored version
combined with what's already available.
it might not exactly overlap with GOUT,
but it will be pretty close.
later
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skyjedi2005
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Jedi KnightAre not there limitations in a academy monaural track even if it is capped at the highest possible resolution and bitrate for sound.
Does not optical in general have limitations because the audio is on the print itself?
Nowadays if they wanted to they could reproduce the sound as exactly as heard in the recording studio off the first gen master.
Though Lucas has not done that.
The blu ray is a poor imitation of the original 77 mix in any of its forms.
Then again out of the few films from the 70's i want to own on blu ray like Superman, Star Wars, or star trek none of them have the original 6 track 70mm mix.
"Always loved Vader's wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin's ghost. What a fucking shame." -Simon Pegg.
negative1
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negative1skyjedi2005 said:
Are not there limitations in a academy monaural track even if it is capped at the highest possible resolution and bitrate for sound.
Does not optical in general have limitations because the audio is on the print itself?
Nowadays if they wanted to they could reproduce the sound as exactly as heard in the recording studio off the first gen master.
Though Lucas has not done that.
The blu ray is a poor imitation of the original 77 mix in any of its forms.
Then again out of the few films from the 70's i want to own on blu ray like Superman, Star Wars, or star trek none of them have the original 6 track 70mm mix.
do you have a surround sound system properly configured?
i don't know too many people that do. i'm an audiophile,
but listen mostly to music.
i'm sure there are videophiles here that do, but overall
most people don't. i'm sure the stereo soundtracks are
the most listened to.
besides the nostalgia and novelty factor, who listens
to the mono version mostly, and what quality does it
really need to be? its not that good of a qualilty in
the original..
i'm sure hairy_hen could tell you all about the differences
and fixes in the 4.1 and 5.1 surround versions and
remasters. some people like having the newer mixes
to sound more impressive.
i'll stick to the stereo 35mm versions.
later
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negative1
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negative1here's a preview of reel 2 in nice
low-fidelity mono! ha ha
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http://soundcloud.com/negative1/star-wars-mono-reel-2-raw
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skyjedi2005
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Jedi KnightYou have access to something that has the mono mix in better quality than we already have, but its incomplete right?
the 35mm mono optical still has to be higher fidelity than nth generations of VHS tapes of the bootleg or itv uk broadcast, or even the 16mm puggo grande.
I have a movie on DVD with its original mono mix and no noise reduction and it sounds better than the stereoized pop and click removed version on the same disc.
Lucas called the mono mix the definitive mix of the film.
When Star Wars was originally released and at the time was his vision of the film as realized. Before he was seduced by the dark side of digital edit tinkering and cgi.
"Always loved Vader's wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin's ghost. What a fucking shame." -Simon Pegg.
negative1
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negative1skyjedi2005 said:
You have access to something that has the mono mix in better quality than we already have, but its incomplete right?
the 35mm mono optical still has to be higher fidelity than nth generations of VHS tapes of the bootleg or itv uk broadcast, or even the 16mm puggo grande.
I have a movie on DVD with its original mono mix and no noise reduction and it sounds better than the stereoized pop and click removed version on the same disc.
yes, right now we only have the first two reels as previewed here.
they will sound 'better' of course.. we'll keep an eye out for the
rest, somebody might have them!
later
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snicker
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Sounds superb, Neg1. You guys have done an amazing job with this restoration.
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-1 Can I ask how you capture this audio? Are you just recording off a projection set up...or is there some other way? (optical scans?)
Also since I doubt the film doesnt have any sort of stretching, how do you plan on precisely matching it to the film footage?
negative1
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negative1jero32 said:
-1 Can I ask how you capture this audio? Are you just recording off a projection set up...or is there some other way? (optical scans?)
Also since I doubt the film doesnt have any sort of stretching, how do you plan on precisely matching it to the film footage?
it's from a projector.
we will sync the audio very carefully.
i'm not doing it, but will get cinch to
comment on it.. and post the answer here.
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captainsolo
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Tauntaun herder-Damn Fool Idealistic Crusadernegative1 said:
here's a preview of reel 2 in nice
low-fidelity mono! ha ha
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http://soundcloud.com/negative1/star-wars-mono-reel-2-raw
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Beautiful. You know, with all of the projects over the years I think I've been converted to this track. The mono has become my favorite.
That sounds really good for optical from a used print! I guess it has Dolby-A noise reduction for greater clarity.
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Curse you all, you should have caught me!Has anybody ever made a stereo or surround mix that incorporates parts of the mono mix's creative decisions? Adywan seems to have done this partially for his Revisited version, as seen with Beru's voice and the deceleration sound when they drop out of hyperspace.