greenpenguino said:

 

timdiggerm said:

And no, no one wears glasses. It's the long-time-ago-far-away-future, which is a kind of future, and no one wears glasses in the future.

LIAR!!

That guy in the holiday special does!! That was a test!!!! you fail!!

 

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timdiggerm said:

Ah but those were a gift, considered an antique, no? Conveniently, they were pretty old when he sold them in the 80s in IV.

Hey, you said "no one."  You are making the rules here, not me.

I'll bet you don't like Chewbacca either.  Hell, you probably don't think ESB is the best Star Wars movie.

THAT'S IT, I'M OUTTA HERE!!!

TV's Frink said:

timdiggerm said:

Ah but those were a gift, considered an antique, no? Conveniently, they were pretty old when he sold them in the 80s in IV.

Hey, you said "no one."  You are making the rules here, not me.

I'll bet you don't like Chewbacca either.  Hell, you probably don't think ESB is the best Star Wars movie.

THAT'S IT, I'M OUTTA HERE!!!

Well, that's very nice old man. Now why don't you make like a tree....and get outta here...

greenpenguino said:

Now why don't you make like a tree....and get outta here...

I think he does have a point though in that certain terms are considered racist only at certain periods of time. The meaning of the word gets reappropriated. So if you called someone a negro today I think most people would say that is racist, or at the very least politically incorrect, whereas 80 years ago it was not only considered not racist but actually was the proper term to describe Africans and was used in scholarly works. But eventually it started falling out of favour and now it would be considered racist if you used it. So, the percieved racism of words is entirely dependant on the historical context in which they are used.

This probably doesn't have much to do with Leia, though, as she was clearly angry at Chewie and deliberately talking down to him and everyone else. I still don't see how that would make her speciesist or whatever, even if she may technically be making a comment on his appearance. It's like when Han calls him a "furry oaf". He has lots of hair, it's a distinguishing feature, otherwise if that's speciesist then commenting on any physical trait would be speciest since everyone's physical traits are determined by virtue of their species and are not optional. The Death Star commander, on the other hand, calling Chewie a "thing" is pretty clearly speciesist since he doesn't even acknowledge that wookies are "people" but instead refers to him as an object.

DuracellEnergizer said:

The Empire's speciesist and sexist. Notice the lack of women in the Imperial hierarchy.

A crazy mad woman like Daala ?

Hopefully Lucas has read this thread and is now removing all of Leia's racism from the upcoming Blu-ray release.

skyjedi2005 said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

The Empire's speciesist and sexist. Notice the lack of women in the Imperial hierarchy.

A crazy mad woman like Daala ?

Actually it was told that she was an exception, if I remember correctly since it's been like 10 years when I read the books, and she got promotions by sleeping with Tarkin or something.

No, they couldn't. Girl stormtroopers have specialiazed combat armor designed to distract enemies:

Bingowings said:

Racial epithets are only bigoted when they are attached to a history of repression.

So when American kids would tell "Polack jokes", that wasn't bigoted?

Don't forget the wedding!

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Bingowings said:

Racial epithets are only bigoted when they are attached to a history of repression.

So when American kids would tell "Polack jokes", that wasn't bigoted?

Poland is a country not a race and it has many ethnic groups and a long history of being repressed.

Making such comments is pretty much like telling Irish jokes in England (as opposed to telling Irish jokes in Ireland), or telling jokes about stingy booze crazed Scotsmen who only eat bizarre fried food.

Bingowings said:

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Bingowings said:

Racial epithets are only bigoted when they are attached to a history of repression.

So when American kids would tell "Polack jokes", that wasn't bigoted?

Poland is a country not a race and it has many ethnic groups and a long history of being repressed.

So I'm confused.  If an epithet is racial, it is only bigotted if it is attached to a history of repression, but if an epithet is nationalistic in nature, is it bigoted or not?  And if it can only be bigoted if there is oppression, does that oppression have to come from the country of the person telling the epithet, or could it come from someone from another country? The reason I ask, is that I have been unable to find a definition from any dictionary that links and restricts bigotry specifically to repression.

I stand corrected. (NSFW language)

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Bingowings said:

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Bingowings said:

Racial epithets are only bigoted when they are attached to a history of repression.

So when American kids would tell "Polack jokes", that wasn't bigoted?

Poland is a country not a race and it has many ethnic groups and a long history of being repressed.

So I'm confused.  If an epithet is racial, it is only bigotted if it is attached to a history of repression, but if an epithet is nationalistic in nature, is it bigoted or not?  And if it can only be bigoted if there is oppression, does that oppression have to come from the country of the person telling the epithet, or could it come from someone from another country? The reason I ask, is that I have been unable to find a definition from any dictionary that links and restricts bigotry specifically to repression.

Like anything it's contextual.

Some nationalistic epithets are de-facto racial epithets and are frequently just as offensive because of a shared history of racism more than the nation being singled out.

In Britain calling someone originating from the Indian Subcontinent a "Paki" is as offensive as calling a person of African origin by the N-Word even though it's a short form of the national word Pakistani.

This is because the term is used to target racial abuse towards people originating from the whole region regardless of the actual country but like the N-Word some of these terms used by one group to offend an historically repressed group have been adopted within the group as a badge of solidarity.

An Irishman in England might call another Irishman a Mick without offense but if a Englishman called an Irishman a Mick without some sort of understanding it probably would cause deep historically rooted offense in a very different context to an Aussie calling an Englishman "a whinging Pom".

That isn't to say that an Englishman in Australia would never be offended by such name calling but it would a different form of offense as Australia hasn't got a long history of holding down the English (outside the world of sport).

Some offensive terms based on superficial differences are regionally specific.

Watching Buffy The Vampire Slayer used to be a bit problematic in Britain because Americans don't use the term "Spastic" or "Spaz" in the same way it has been used here.

"Spaz" in Britain is a term used to target people suffering with Cerebral Palsy and "Spastic" by the mid-seventies had become so commonly used as a derogatory term that the National Spastic Society eventually felt it necessary to change it's name to SCOPE. 

Jawas seem to be a fully sentient species with a culture and a language so is Threepio being racist when he calls them "Disgusting creatures"?

I think he is.

They almost certainly have individuals, they are indigenous people who live on the fringes of Tatooine society so labelling them all disgusting creatures based on his experience with a few of them sounds pretty racey to me.

TML said:

atack of the clones is the best because it has explosions and yoda fighting and boba fett and jango fett and clone troopers fighting and anakin fighting and it has a happy ending because the clones come in and help save the jedi from the bad guys and its realy cool

This is why AOTC is the best Star Wars Prequel ever made!  Also Padme gets her shirt ripped so that we can see her midriff.

Lucas is a GOD!

TV's Frink said:

I stand corrected. (NSFW language)

AWESOME!!!  I love the part when he discusses Han telling Chewie he has to look after Leia.