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zombie84 said:
They would have gone the same. Actually, they probably would have been worse, since most producer's aren't as good as McCallum and he actually did contribute more to the films in a subtle way than people give him credit.
Basically, the films would have been the same or worse because Lucas would have replaced McCallum with someone who was willing to do what Lucas wanted if McCallum wasn't doing so. That's what Lucas was looking for in a producer--someone to ensure his wishes were carried out faithfully. Sometimes, that's how producers work. McCallum was smart enough to realise this so he didn't push Lucas inappropriately, although he wasn't totally passive. For instance, he warned Lucas about Jar Jar and tried to dissuade him, but Lucas had made his mind up and McCallum realized that's how it would be. He also snuck in an acting coach for Episode III, which is probably why that film has the best performances of all, probably because he saw how embarassing bad Episode II finally turned out to be.
These are interesting timbits of info. It reminds me of Red Letter Media's review in which McCallum is shown with a look of shock after the initial private screening. Then a discussion follows between Lucas, Burtt, and McCallum in which they mention that they cannot edit out the bad parts because they would not have enough material left over for a movie!
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Jedi KnightThis acting coach comes as a shock to me as does the performances supposedly being better in sith. Really ? Hayden was horrible in sith, Mcdiamid was horrible. The only one i thought did a good job or at least tried to with ridiculous dialogue was Ewan.
Even Sam Jackson was horrible. as he was in clones, and Christopher Lee's talents were criminally wasted on these films.
The lighstaber duels and dialogues were beyond ridiculous and cartoon like.
If i wanted to watch a warner bros cartoon i could have, but i wanted a star wars film and paid for a star wars film and got rubbish bad acting and out of place cgi in replace of a story or characters i cared about.
"Always loved Vader's wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin's ghost. What a fucking shame." -Simon Pegg.
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Ointment Flytheprequelsrule said:
These are interesting timbits of info.
Interesting...timbits.
kilik64
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Who is tim and why are his "bits" interesting?
zombie84
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Jedi KnightIt's a Tim Hortons reference I think, but you have to be Canadian to get it.
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Jedi KnightAlso, the acting coach in ROTS seems to have been mainly for Portman and Christensen. The focus was on developing the background of their new stage of relationship (married, baby, etc.) and also acting as a "rehearsal arbirtrar" to get more time to hone the performance. I think it shows tremendously. Their chemistry works better. They still have shitty dialogue, but their acting is better. Look at Clones, they are both awful in that film, and even though ROTS is not worth writing home about for performances (McGreggor and McDiarmid being the exceptions, as they were in the previous film), Portman and Christensen as a couple seem a lot more natural and a lot more convincing than the near-parody that is seen in the previous entry.
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"When George went back and put new creatures into the original Star Wars, I find that disturbing. It’s a revision of history. That bothers me."
--James Cameron, Entertainment Weekly, April 2010
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Han D. SoloI thought McDiarmid was horrible in ROTS. He acts like a 4th grader doing a parody of the ROTJ Emperor.
Pennsylvania Jones said:
"Stick and Stones will break my bones but the Blu-Rays will never Harmy."
Lucas: I am altering the film. Pray I don't alter it any further.
Fans: This film is getting worse all the time!
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kilik64 said:
Who is tim and why are his "bits" interesting?
I am not sure what to say.
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zombie84 said:
Also, the acting coach in ROTS seems to have been mainly for Portman and Christensen. The focus was on developing the background of their new stage of relationship (married, baby, etc.) and also acting as a "rehearsal arbirtrar" to get more time to hone the performance. I think it shows tremendously. Their chemistry works better. They still have shitty dialogue, but their acting is better. Look at Clones, they are both awful in that film, and even though ROTS is not worth writing home about for performances (McGreggor and McDiarmid being the exceptions, as they were in the previous film), Portman and Christensen as a couple seem a lot more natural and a lot more convincing than the near-parody that is seen in the previous entry.
There were some good moments in ROTS (notably the Padme and Anakin intercutting scene when Anakin is grappling with whether or not to interfere in the showdown between the Jedi posse and Palpatine). The reason I find it so disappointing is because, of all the prequels, it was the one that had to be great and it wasn't. All in all I thought ROTS was edited together really poorly and came across as being less than the sum of it's parts.
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Harmy said:
I thought McDiarmid was horrible in ROTS. He acts like a 4th grader doing a parody of the ROTJ Emperor.
Agreed. WTF happened?
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Jedi Knighttheprequelsrule said:
Harmy said:
I thought McDiarmid was horrible in ROTS. He acts like a 4th grader doing a parody of the ROTJ Emperor.
Agreed. WTF happened?
George Lucas happened, modern Lucas, the one in love with cgi and not concerned with story or drama.
"Always loved Vader's wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin's ghost. What a fucking shame." -Simon Pegg.
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No Shit!You haven't seen ROTS untill you've seen it 'off your head'...Seriously, it was one of my best 'Star Wars' moments
Obviously I've grown up since then, but not much!!
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Stringer in Space!theprequelsrule said:
Harmy said:
I thought McDiarmid was horrible in ROTS. He acts like a 4th grader doing a parody of the ROTJ Emperor.
Agreed. WTF happened?
He let UNLIMITED POWER go to his head.
Since they're like poetry, what with the rhyming and all, I find that I only need to watch three out of the six films.
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Jedi KnightThe Battle between Yoda and Palpatine in the senate was so Ridiculous as to be laugh out loud unintentionally funny.
The Theater was laughing so hard at that scene and the mustafar duel, the romance between padme and Anakin, actually everything was funny in that trainwreck of a movie including Anakin's outburst at not being made a master on the council.
"Always loved Vader's wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin's ghost. What a fucking shame." -Simon Pegg.
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Ointment FlyIt's settled. ROTS is worse than ESB.
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Double standards!!No it's not! ESB IS BORING!!!111!!!11!!ONE!!!!!1!!!
ROTS HAS GOT SPLOSIONS AND LITSABREE BATTKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!1!!!!!!!1!!!
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Just a simple man.Caravan of Courage.
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greenpenguino
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Double standards!!Tyrphanax said:
Caravan of Courage.
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Unlimited Rice Puddinggreenpenguino said:
Tyrphanax said:
Caravan of Courage.
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O rly?
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Ointment FlyIt's somehow less dramatic when it's in code.
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Double standards!!TV's Frink said:
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O RLY?
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Ointment Fly^Don't post that outside of the ot.com Illuminati Secret Clique Thread!
Tyrphanax
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Just a simple man.What's this about secret threads?
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If by secret threads you mean off-topic, then yeah, sure.
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You will not. None of us will, except for a very old and dying Ziggy Stardust who will watch it through teary eyes as he remembers us all.
pittrek said:
I seriously hope I will live enough to see the original Star Wars trilogy in this quality
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Token Linguistics NerdOh man, I'm afraid I might be lost; must've taken a wrong turn. Is this the Tex Murphy thread?
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The Empire Strikes Back is the best Star Wars movie. Or is it?