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RE: The Audio Preservation Thread

BTW it is thought that the 1992 first WS LD of Jaws has a slightly different mix due to a few source cues being changed for rights issues.

Thanks PDB, that's what I thought about Criterion vs. MGM as I've noticed form other films I've compared of theirs. I still want to see the MGM NbyNW disc for the transfer as it's reputed to be completely different from all others.

There shouldn't be stereo for NbyNW as it only played in mono, even at the full VistaVision premiere. Plus the VV system used Perspecta directioned 3 track sound in the big venues anyway. The mono track obliterates the 5.1 which in comparison is too tamed and safe.

Vertigo's old LD is analog only so we've often thought a Beta or VHS issue may yield slightly better audio. I haven't got the chance to really take a close look at the new mono on the BD (in DTS) but I'm almost positive the 2005 Masterpiece Collection DVD mono is the same as the old analog LD source. Certainly sounds like it.

I know of some who have been working with the GBU audio and especially with the rumors of a reissue BD, that might be something to tackle later. Is that the 1998 deleted scenes Italian mono you're referring to or a different source?

Ok, here's my growing shelf:

http://www.lddb.com/collection.php?action=list&user=sdraper

 

Jonno, when the headroom is limited is that what contributes to having to massively increase the volume in order to reach normal sound levels? I had to do this last night with the ESB SWE disc.

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RE: The Audio Preservation Thread

captainsolo said:

Vertigo's old LD is analog only so we've often thought a Beta or VHS issue may yield slightly better audio. I haven't got the chance to really take a close look at the new mono on the BD (in DTS) but I'm almost positive the 2005 Masterpiece Collection DVD mono is the same as the old analog LD source. Certainly sounds like it.

I disagree... LD analog audio could be really high quality... take a look at my thread about laserdisc sound here; if VHS (or Beta) is Hi-Fi stereo, it *may* be better than analog laserdisc soundtrack; you still have to use a TBC to stabilize video, as the Hi-Fi stereo soundtrack on VHS is "drowned" inside the video signal...

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RE: The Audio Preservation Thread

Here's an amendment for Ghostbusters, or possible an addition (the original sync might have its uses if the earlier BD and the 4K aren't frame-matched - I haven't taken the time to check).

Movie: Ghostbusters

Format: Laserdisc CC1182L

Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit, Bit Perfect

Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 48 khz, 16-bit

Synced To: 2013 Blu-ray Release Region A (4K Remaster)

Ripped/Synced by: Jonno

Notes: From the Criterion laserdisc. Contains the original Dolby Stereo soundtrack.

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RE: The Audio Preservation Thread

captainsolo said:

BTW it is thought that the 1992 first WS LD of Jaws has a slightly different mix due to a few source cues being changed for rights issues.

Thanks PDB, that's what I thought about Criterion vs. MGM as I've noticed form other films I've compared of theirs. I still want to see the MGM NbyNW disc for the transfer as it's reputed to be completely different from all others.

There shouldn't be stereo for NbyNW as it only played in mono, even at the full VistaVision premiere. Plus the VV system used Perspecta directioned 3 track sound in the big venues anyway. The mono track obliterates the 5.1 which in comparison is too tamed and safe.

Vertigo's old LD is analog only so we've often thought a Beta or VHS issue may yield slightly better audio. I haven't got the chance to really take a close look at the new mono on the BD (in DTS) but I'm almost positive the 2005 Masterpiece Collection DVD mono is the same as the old analog LD source. Certainly sounds like it.

I know of some who have been working with the GBU audio and especially with the rumors of a reissue BD, that might be something to tackle later. Is that the 1998 deleted scenes Italian mono you're referring to or a different source?

Ok, here's my growing shelf:

http://www.lddb.com/collection.php?action=list&user=sdraper

 

Jonno, when the headroom is limited is that what contributes to having to massively increase the volume in order to reach normal sound levels? I had to do this last night with the ESB SWE disc.

Yeah, I heard about the Jaws music changes in the other thread. I assume the Signature Edition is ok?

I just like having the options. I can listen to the mono with all of its pluses and minuses or the 5.1. I just want to get as close to the theatrical sound as possible. I think studio believe that most people nowadays have an aversion to a mono soundtrack.

Sorry, I must of misread your earlier post, captainsolo. I read it as the Criterion NbyNW LD's audio was sourced from a stereo print not a mono print, which didn't make sense.

I agree that sourcing the Vertigo LD analog soundtrack might be a waste of time, since it will definitely lack fidelity but I have the LD so I thought why not? It might be nice to compare it to the regular dts on the Blu-ray. See if there is anything to be gained.

I was referencing the Italian mono on the Mondo (Italian) blu-ray. It is amazingly loud.

Great collection BTW. If you need anything synced let me know.

Last edited on October 1, 2013 at 4:36 PM by PDB
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RE: The Audio Preservation Thread

Jonno said:

Here's an amendment for Ghostbusters, or possible an addition (the original sync might have its uses if the earlier BD and the 4K aren't frame-matched - I haven't taken the time to check).

Movie: Ghostbusters

Format: Laserdisc CC1182L

Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit, Bit Perfect

Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 48 khz, 16-bit

Synced To: 2013 Blu-ray Release Region A (4K Remaster)

Ripped/Synced by: Jonno

Notes: From the Criterion laserdisc. Contains the original Dolby Stereo soundtrack.

Just added, thanks Jonno.

I'm working on Raiders (widescreen LD) right now.

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Great stuff you guys are doing! :) Hope to help out adding to this list when the time comes. Wish I had your expertise when it comes to syncing audio. So are everyone of these tracks only prepared in a synced state? It would be fantastic if the raw rips also gets preserved as to not being locked to a specific video transfer for future use.

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RE: The Audio Preservation Thread

msycamore said:

Great stuff you guys are doing! :) Hope to help out adding to this list when the time comes. Wish I had your expertise when it comes to syncing audio. So are everyone of these tracks only prepared in a synced state? It would be fantastic if the raw rips also gets preserved as to not being locked to a specific video transfer for future use.

Love to have you add some soundtracks, msycamore. I learned how to do by asking others (jonno, zeropc) here and just experimenting. I can only speak for myself but I keep a copy of the original unsynced track also. You never know when a new video format will be out (like 4K) and frankly my LD player is from the mid 90s so you never know when it will give up the ghost.

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