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Hey Everyone,
I noticed that a few people around here are are trying to preserve old soundtracks from laserdiscs, like Jonno, zeropc and myself and then sync them to the latest Blu-rays. I thought it might be nice to have a sort of master list of what has been preserved/synced and what is being worked on. The goal of this thread is to be the answer to the Re-mixed audio tracks on video releases thread but also save any inserting soundtracks like older Mono soundtracks, Stereo soundtracks, Dolby Stereo, 70mm mixes, soundtracks that contained dialog panning, mono surrounds, etc. This would not only cover laserdiscs but any sources (DVDs, VHS) So without further ado here is the list of what has already been completed, please let me know if you have anything to add or any corrections.
Movie: Alien
Format: Laserdisc 876085
Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 kHz, 16-bit, not bit perfect
Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 48 kHz, 16-bit
Synced To: 2010 Blu-ray Release Region A Theatrical Edition
Ripped/Synced by: Jonno
Notes: Sound remastered from the 6-track magnetic masters of an early 70mm mix and contain alternative lines of dialog.
Movie: Alien
Format: Laserdisc 876085
Input Soundtrack: Dolby Digital AC3 5.1 48 kHz 16-bit, bit perfect
Output Soundtrack: Dolby Digital AC3 5.1 48 kHz 16-bit
Synced To: 2010 Blu-ray Release Region A Theatrical Edition
Ripped/Synced by: _,,,^..^,,,_
Notes: Sound remastered from the 6-track magnetic masters of an early 70mm mix and contain alternative lines of dialog.
Movie: Aliens
Format: Laserdisc 8761-85
Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit, Bit Perfect
Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 48 khz, 16-bit
Synced To: 2010 Blu-ray Release Region A Theatrical Edition
Ripped/Synced by: Jonno
Notes: None
Movie: Back to the Future
Format: Laserdisc 41056
Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit, Not Bit Perfect
Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 48 khz, 16-bit
Synced To: 2011 Blu-ray Release Region A
Ripped/Synced by: Jonno
Notes: Contains the original Dolby Stereo soundtrack.
Movie: Back to the Future
Format: Laserdisc 41056
Input Soundtrack: Analog 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround, Not Bit Perfect
Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 48 khz, 16-bit
Synced To: HDTV 1080p Canal+ version
Ripped/Synced by: Ilovewaterslides
Notes: Contains the original Dolby Stereo soundtrack.
Movie: Back to the Future Part II
Format: Laserdisc 40965
Input Soundtrack: Analog 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround, Not Bit Perfect
Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 48 khz, 16-bit
Synced To: DXVA HDTV 1080p HDnet version
Ripped/Synced by: Ilovewaterslides
Notes: Contains the original Dolby Stereo soundtrack.
Movie: Back to the Future Part III
Format: Laserdisc 40980
Input Soundtrack: Analog 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround, Not Bit Perfect
Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 48 khz, 16-bit
Synced To: DXVA HDTV 1080p HDnet version
Ripped/Synced by: Ilovewaterslides
Notes: Contains the original Dolby Stereo soundtrack.
Movie: Evil Dead
Format: Laserdisc SF078-5044
Input Soundtrack: Mono Analog Capture 1.0
Output Soundtrack: PCM 1.0 Mono 48 khz, 16-bit
Synced To: 2010 Blu-ray Release Region A (1.33 Version)
Ripped/Synced by: Moth3r/jj666
Notes: None
Movie: Evil Dead 2
Format: Laserdisc EE3845
Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Mono 44.1 khz, 16-bit
Output Soundtrack: FLAC 2.0 Mono 44.1 khz, 16-bit
Synced To: 2011 Blu-ray Release Region A (25th Anniversary)
Ripped/Synced by: zeropc/jj666
Notes: Contains the original mono that is not available on the Blu-ray(s)
Movie: Ghostbusters
Format: Laserdisc CC1182L
Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit, Not Bit Perfect
Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 48 khz, 16-bit
Synced To: 2009 Blu-ray Release Region A (Non 4K Remaster)
Ripped/Synced by: Jonno
Notes: From the Criterion laserdisc. Contains the original Dolby Stereo soundtrack.
Movie: Ghostbusters
Format: Laserdisc CC1182L
Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit, Bit Perfect
Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 48 khz, 16-bit
Synced To: 2013 Blu-ray Release Region A (4K Remaster)
Ripped/Synced by: Jonno
Notes: From the Criterion laserdisc. Contains the original Dolby Stereo soundtrack.
Movie: The Hunt For Red October
Format: Laserdisc LV32020-2L
Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit, Bit Perfect
Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 48 khz, 16-bit
Synced To: 2008 Blu-ray Release Region A
Ripped/Synced by: PDB
Notes: Contains the original Dolby Stereo soundtrack.
Movie: Indiana Jones And The Temple Of Doom
Format: Laserdisc LV 1643-2WS
Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit, Bit Perfect
Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 48 khz, 16-bit
Synced To: 2012 Blu-ray Release Region A
Ripped/Synced by: PDB
Notes: Contains the original Dolby Stereo soundtrack. One of the best Dolby Stereo soundtracks, IMHO.
Movie: James Bond 15 The Living Daylights
Format: Laserdisc ML12530
Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit, bit perfect
Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 48 khz, 16-bit
Synced To: 2008 Blu-ray Release Region A
Ripped/Synced by: singhcr/Jonno
Notes: Contains the original Dolby Stereo soundtrack.
Movie: Mad Max 2/Road Warrior
Format: Laserdisc 11181
Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit, not bit perfect
Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 48 khz, 16-bit
Synced To: 2013 Blu-ray Release Region A
Ripped/Synced by: Jonno
Notes: Contains the original Dolby Stereo soundtrack for the US cut of The Road Warrior, which was synced to the longer Mad Max 2 blu-ray.
Movie: Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome
Format: Laserdisc 13345
Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit, bit perfect
Output Soundtrack: FLAC 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit
Synced To: 2013 Blu-ray Release Region A
Ripped/Synced by: PDB/zeropc
Notes: Contains the original Dolby Stereo soundtrack.
Movie: North By Northwest
Format: Laserdisc CC1226L
Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Mono 44.1 khz, 16-bit, Bit Perfect
Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Mono 48 khz, 16-bit
Synced To: 2009 Blu-ray Release Region A
Ripped/Synced by: PDB
Notes: From the Criterion laserdisc. Contains the original mono that is not available on the Blu-ray.
Movie: North By Northwest
Format: Laserdisc ML102228
Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Mono/Stereo 44.1 khz, 16-bit, Bit Perfect
Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Mono/Stereo 48 khz, 16-bit
Synced To: 2009 Blu-ray Release Region A
Ripped/Synced by: PDB
Notes: The opening music is in stereo but the rest of the movie is in mono. From the disc jacket: Although the film was not released in stereo, the Bernard Herrmann score was recorded in stereo. We have inserted the film's title theme into the master in true sterephonic sound, and on your digital tracks the film becomes mono for the balance of the feature.
Movie: Star Trek The Motion Picture
Format: Laserdisc LV8858-2WS
Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit, not bit perfect
Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 48 khz, 16-bit
Synced To: 2009 Blu-ray Release Region A/2013 Individual Release
Ripped/Synced by: Jonno
Notes: Contains the original Dolby Stereo soundtrack.
Movie: Star Trek II The Wrath Of Khan
Format: Laserdisc LV1180-2WS
Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit, not bit perfect
Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 48 khz, 16-bit
Synced To: 2009 Blu-ray Release Region A/2013 Individual Release
Ripped/Synced by: Jonno
Notes: Contains the original Dolby Stereo soundtrack. Jonno's favorite soundtrack
Movie: Terminator
Format: Laserdisc ID2940NSB
Input Soundtrack: PCM 1.0 Mono 44.1 khz, 16-bit
Output Soundtrack: FLAC 2.0 Mono 44.1 khz, 16-bit
Synced To: 2012 UK Blu-ray Release Region B (remastered version)
Ripped/Synced by: zeropc/jj666
Notes: Contains all the theatrical mono and has the original sound effects that were removed in the terrible 5.1 remix.. Audio needs additional delay adjustment of -8500ms to sync to the 2013 US remastered blu-ray.
Movie: The Thing
Format: Laserdisc 42654
Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit, Bit Perfect
Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Surround 48 khz, 16-bit
Synced To: UK HD-DVD (should be OK for US HD-DVD and BD too)
Ripped/Sync'd by: Jonno
Notes: From the Signature Collection. Contains the original Dolby Stereo soundtrack , different form the HD DVD/BD.
Movie: The Thing
Format: French PAL Laserdisc PLFFB 33061
Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit, non Bit Perfect
Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Surround 48 khz, 16-bit
Synced To: UK HD-DVD (should be OK for US HD-DVD and BD too)
Ripped by: ilovewaterslides / Sync'd by: _,,,^..^,,,_
Notes: French language Dolby Stereo soundtrack.
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So over the last weeks I completed the syncing of the Temple Of Doom widescreen laserdisc to the TOD blu-ray and Hunt For the Red October's widescreen laserdisc to the HFTRO blu-ray. PM me if you want a copy.
Right now, I am working on North By Northwest. I am syncing the Criterion Mono and the MGM Stereo/Mono laserdisc to the Warner Bros Blu-ray. I should be done at the end of this week. After that it will be The Good, The Bad and The Ugly's Mono laserdisc synced to the Italian blu-ray.
zeropc
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to clarify
the evil dead
ripped by see no evil
synced by jj666
evil dead 2
ripped by zeropc
synced by jj666
input: dual mono
output: dual mono
the terminator
ripped by zeropc
synced by jj666
input: dual mono
output: single mono
synced to 2012 uk blu-ray - synced audio needs additional delay adjustment of -8500ms to sync to the 2013 u.s. bd
Jonno
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Pa pa, pa pa, pa pa, pa pa, pa pa paThe Living Daylights was ripped by singhcr. I hope to have a fair few updates for your list shortly!
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Better Grumpy than Dopeyzeropc said:
to clarify
the evil dead
ripped by see no evil
synced by jj666
To clarify even further, the audio was originally captured by me, from See No Evil's LD.
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zeropc said:
to clarify
the evil dead
ripped by see no evil
synced by jj666
evil dead 2
ripped by zeropc
synced by jj666
input: dual mono
output: dual monothe terminator
ripped by zeropc
synced by jj666
input: dual mono
output: single mono
synced to 2012 uk blu-ray - synced audio needs additional delay adjustment of -8500ms to sync to the 2013 u.s. bd
Thanks zeropc, I updated the list
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Jonno said:
The Living Daylights was ripped by singhcr. I hope to have a fair few updates for your list shortly!
Updated and excited for more updates, Jonno
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Moth3r said:
zeropc said:
to clarify
the evil dead
ripped by see no evil
synced by jj666To clarify even further, the audio was originally captured by me, from See No Evil's LD.
Updated again for credit
timdiggerm
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Can I get an explanation of the advantages of using these soundtracks over whatever's on their blurays?
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A légpárnás hajóm tele van angolnákkal.timdiggerm said:
Can I get an explanation of the advantages of using these soundtracks over whatever's on their blurays?
I can't vouch for all of them, but I'd say the goal is to get something that more closely resembles the theatrical audio. The problem is, in many of the above cases, the soundtracks are a relatively small problem on the Blu-ray compared to the video (Back to the Future, Alien/s). But, lacking a correction for the video problems, they're the best we can do.
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CatBus said:
timdiggerm said:
Can I get an explanation of the advantages of using these soundtracks over whatever's on their blurays?
I can't vouch for all of them, but I'd say the goal is to get something that more closely resembles the theatrical audio. The problem is, in many of the above cases, the soundtracks are a relatively small problem on the Blu-ray compared to the video (Back to the Future, Alien/s). But, lacking a correction for the video problems, they're the best we can do.
That's right, the hope is that many of these soundtracks are closer to the original movie's soundtracks with less remixing and changes made. For example, what I'm working on right now, North By Northwest was released in mono durning its original theatrical run which is preserved on the old laserdisc. The DVD and Blu-ray are only a 5.1 remix. So this is a chance to watch the movie with something that is hopefully closer to what they heard in 1959. Same with more modern films, Star Trek II was in Dolby Stereo in the theaters and on laserdisc but on dvd and blu-ray, 5.1. By syncing it you hopefully get the theatrical sound.
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Is there also an advantage for people with 2.0 setups (like me) in that there's no downmixing going on? The mix was designed for 2.0, and thus will sound better than 5.1 downmix?
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A légpárnás hajóm tele van angolnákkal.timdiggerm said:
Is there also an advantage for people with 2.0 setups (like me) in that there's no downmixing going on? The mix was designed for 2.0, and thus will sound better than 5.1 downmix?
Well, in the sense that the 5.1 upmix often involves some audio shenanigans (it's rare that a soundtrack gets a tasteful conservative upmix). So when downmixed to stereo it still has all the other stuff they did to it, whereas the stereo track doesn't have all of that. A tastefully upmixed 5.1 track should sound about the same downmixed to 2.0--it's just that that sort of thing is pretty rare.
That said, Laserdisc 2.0 tracks aren't perfect either. They can have somewhat compressed dynamics (the so-called near-field mix), dropouts, etc, but the audio guys simply didn't have all the tools at the time to be so tempted to make little changes all over the place so easily, so there's at least the semblance of theatrical fidelity.
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Laserdisc MasterI like this thread, and think it should deserve its own database. Here you are my last capture - it will be released soon:
Movie: Alien
Format: Laserdisc 876085
Input Soundtrack: Dolby Digital AC3 5.1 48KHz 16bit, bit perfect
Output Soundtrack: untouched - BD/DVD/AVCHD compliant
Synced To: 2010 Blu-ray Release Region A Theatrical Edition
Ripped/Synced by: _,,,^..^,,,_
Notes: Sound remastered from the 6-track magnetic masters of an early 70mm mix and contain alternative lines of dialog.
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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
I like this thread, and think it should deserve its own database. Here you are my last capture - it will be released soon:
Movie: Alien
Format: Laserdisc 876085
Input Soundtrack: Dolby Digital AC3 5.1 48KHz 16bit, bit perfect
Output Soundtrack: untouched - BD/DVD/AVCHD compliant
Synced To: 2010 Blu-ray Release Region A Theatrical Edition
Ripped/Synced by: _,,,^..^,,,_
Notes: Sound remastered from the 6-track magnetic masters of an early 70mm mix and contain alternative lines of dialog.
Thanks _,,,^..^,,,_, I added it to the list. Glad to have the 5.1 from that disc. I'd love to get a copy when you are finished. Are you doing a color re-do of Alien? I saw the pics in your color change thread. If you are going forward, I have this laserdisc:
http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/10590/1090-80/Alien-(1979)
which is the oldest disc of Alien that I can find with digital PCM and Dolby Surround, and hopefully truest you can get to the original theatrical Dolby Stereo.
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So funny thing, I was working on North By Northwest last night and I found a section were the Blu-ray's 5.1 is missing some sound effects. When Cary Grant is escaping from the hospital outside on the balcony the 5.1 is missing some sounds of his feet and struggling moving balcony to balcony. It occurs around 1 hour 54 minutes
But it is present on both the Criterion and MGM laserdiscs. Nothing exciting and it is only a few seconds but interesting nonetheless.
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Padawan LearnerMy guess is that some automated noise removal program mistook the sound effect for a blemish, and removed it.
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It's The Hunt for Red October, not The Hunt For The Red October. The Living Daylights should be 007 15 then the title. For the rest of the original mixes for the James Bond movies, especially Sean Connerys, George Lazenby, Roger Moore, et. al
Did MAD MAX have an original track on Laserdisc in PCM? Glad it mentions which Blu-ray release to use, since I do have quite a lot. I'd rather use the original MGM release instead of the 2013 WB one.
Go for HD or GTFO.
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Echo3 said:
My guess is that some automated noise removal program mistook the sound effect for a blemish, and removed it.
That seems like a plausible reason.
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Pa pa, pa pa, pa pa, pa pa, pa pa paFremenDar007 said:
Did MAD MAX have an original track on Laserdisc in PCM? Glad it mentions which Blu-ray release to use, since I do have quite a lot. I'd rather use the original MGM release instead of the 2013 WB one.
Depends on your definition of 'original'. There are plenty of discs containing the original mono mix from the 1980 US release - some in digital PCM - but that was the American-accented dub.
Indeed the only DVD and BD releases containing the Australian English mono mix - the true 'original' - use lossy Dolby Digital. AFAIK the track included on the BD (both MGM and WB, which are essentially the same release) is as good as it currently gets for that film.
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FremenDar007 said:
It's The Hunt for Red October, not The Hunt For The Red October. The Living Daylights should be 007 15 then the title. For the rest of the original mixes for the James Bond movies, especially Sean Connerys, George Lazenby, Roger Moore, et. al
Did MAD MAX have an original track on Laserdisc in PCM? Glad it mentions which Blu-ray release to use, since I do have quite a lot. I'd rather use the original MGM release instead of the 2013 WB one.
Fixed and did you mean the original Australian or American soundtrack. I thought the Mad Max dvd was the first time the original Australian was available in the US. We just have the sequels preserved.
*edit Jonno beat me to it
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Jonno said:
FremenDar007 said:
Did MAD MAX have an original track on Laserdisc in PCM? Glad it mentions which Blu-ray release to use, since I do have quite a lot. I'd rather use the original MGM release instead of the 2013 WB one.
Depends on your definition of 'original'. There are plenty of discs containing the original mono mix from the 1980 US release - some in digital PCM - but that was the American-accented dub.
Indeed the only DVD and BD releases containing the Australian English mono mix - the true 'original' - use lossy Dolby Digital. AFAIK the track included on the BD (both MGM and WB, which are essentially the same release) is as good as it currently gets for that film.
I thought the MGM USA Blu-ray has the original Australian in lossless but a 5.1 remix. Only looking for the Original Australian mono in PCM. The WB Blu-ray has the American dub remix as lossless though and I already have both Blu-rays. For MAD MAX 2 I have both the original release and the 2013 remastered release. Also MAD MAX: Beyond Thunderdome. The Blu-rays. So I could make BD25s of 2 and Beyond Thunderdome?
EDIT: I'd plan on using the PCM or whichever for the 4K remaster for Ghostbusters as a BD25 mebbe. No idea though.
Go for HD or GTFO.
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there is no pcm for mad max aussie mono mix. well, mgm/warner could release it lossless on another bd-release. but i wouldn't bet on it.
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Fantastic thread!
Thanks you very much PDB and all the enthusiasts that performed this fantastic work!
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