Hey, it's me. said:

Opinions are like a***holes. Everybody's got one.

That may well be your opinion but it's not accurate.

Bingowings said:

Anyone can hold any point of view but some will be more accurate than others.

I hope you are joking, for the sake of your intelligence.

No I just illustrated my point.

People form opinions on what they know.

If they know little or what they know is wrong their opinion will be inaccurate.

Bingowings said:

No I just illustrated my point.

People form opinions on what they know.

If they know little or what they know is wrong their opinion will be inaccurate.

The knowledge is inaccurate... the opinion can't be.

imperialscum said:

Bingowings said:

No I just illustrated my point.

People form opinions on what they know.

If they know little or what they know is wrong their opinion will be inaccurate.

The knowledge is inaccurate... the opinion can't be.

Data is data.

Opinion is an inference formed from data.

Inferences are subjective and may vary.

Two experts may have different opinions based on the same data but if the data is wrong whatever subjective opinion you will infer will be most probably be inaccurate.

Don't be ridiculous. Opinion can't be inaccurate, less so wrong. Having an opinion of something is what you think about about something. No matter what that something is. You may change your opinion when that something changes or updates. But never will be opinion wrong or inaccurate. It is what you think at the given situation.

Hey, it's me. said:

Bingowings said:

Hey, it's me. said:

Opinions are like a***holes. Everybody's got one.

That may well be your opinion but it's not accurate.

I find that mildly pretentious Bingo

I knew that there were people without arseholes before I posted so while I may be pretentious It's difficult to see how you came to that conclusion based on that information, let alone how you gauged the level of your perceptions my pretension as mild.

In my opinion you find me generally mildly pretentious and you have just taken advantage of that post to declare your previous arrived at conclusion.

imperialscum said:

Don't be ridiculous. Opinion can't be inaccurate, less so wrong. Having an opinion of something is what you think about about something. No matter what that something is. You may change your opinion when that something changes or updates. But never will be opinion wrong or inaccurate. It is what you think at the given situation.

Of course it can.

You may hold the opinion that the laws of gravity only apply to other people.

Bingowings said:

You may hold the opinion that the laws of gravity only apply to other people.

That is not an opinion. That is a claim.

imperialscum said:

Bingowings said:

You may hold the opinion that the laws of gravity only apply to other people.

That is not an opinion. That is a claim.

No it isn't what if the person held that opinion but didn't tell anyone?

A claim is a declaration.

Many people hold opinions privately.

This conversation is pointless in my opinion as you clearly don't communicate in the same language as myself.

Bingowings said:

This conversation is pointless in my opinion

Now THAT is an opinion. Can you try to explain how could this specific opinion be wrong or inaccurate?

If it had everything to do with the thread, and solving all the worlds problems?

Hey, it's me. said:

Bingowings said:

Hey, it's me. said:

Bingowings said:

Hey, it's me. said:

Opinions are like a***holes. Everybody's got one.

That may well be your opinion but it's not accurate.

I find that mildly pretentious Bingo

I knew that there were people without arseholes before I posted so while I may be pretentious It's difficult to see how you came to that conclusion based on that information, let alone how you gauged the level of your perceptions my pretension as mild.

In my opinion you find me generally mildly pretentious and you have just taken advantage of that post to declare you previous arrived at conclusion.

People without arseholes? How do they defecate? Lol 

Through a tube into a bag.

It's possibly pertinent to Star Wars as Vader probably has some mechanism for removing organic waste so I will indulge you. You have your terms wrong.

Number One.

Number Two.

The gentleman I linked to in my earlier post was born without an anus and had to use the second procedure for 50 years.

The procedure is for many young people a life saver, I know someone who is younger than me who has had this done but he was born with a anus and does have opinions.

If it helps, Bingo, there seems to be an American take on the word "opinion", which I've also heard, less frequently, in other countries.  In this American sense, an "opinion" is completely disassociated from facts and thus is impossible to objectively measure.  It also, in my opinion (ha!), makes the word utterly meaningless.

The traditional meaning of "opinion" is only reclaimed by adding qualifiers, such as "professional opinion", "doctor's opinion", "the court's opinion", etc.  Then, suddenly, people understand that THIS sort of opinion is tied, to some degree, to facts, expertise, etc and can be measured as better or worse than other opinions.

It's maddening, I agree, particularly because the new sense of the word is so useless.  But there you have it.

SilverWook said:

Nice thread derail.

Articles like this only get written to get a rise out of people, thus generating hits on a website. It also possibly makes the author feel better about why they don't "get" why people like something so much. And this article got a lot more attention than it deserves.

It's a valid opinion.

I have a similar relationship with Doctor Who.

Much of the 50 year history of the show is really quite awful and yet when it works it's powerful stuff and I've been exposed to it for much of my life so I'm protective of it despite it's obvious flaws.

I'm also aware of some of the soap opera behind the scenes which doesn't distract me from my loyalty to my memories of it being good or my hopes that it may improve in the future.

I personally don't see the whole Star Wars thing as being over-rated, people who care to comment on it tend to be aware of it's flaws as much as I am with Doctor Who's flaws.

It's possible that certain episodes would not be as highly regarded or derided if the Star Wars name was not attached to them.

In some aspects it may be under-rated.

CatBus said:

If it helps, Bingo, there seems to be an American take on the word "opinion", which I've also heard, less frequently, in other countries.  In this American sense, an "opinion" is completely disassociated from facts and thus is impossible to objectively measure.  It also, in my opinion (ha!), makes the word utterly meaningless.

The traditional meaning of "opinion" is only reclaimed by adding qualifiers, such as "professional opinion", "doctor's opinion", "the court's opinion", etc.  Then, suddenly, people understand that THIS sort of opinion is tied, to some degree, to facts, expertise, etc and can be measured as better or worse than other opinions.

It's maddening, I agree, particularly because the new sense of the word is so useless.  But there you have it.

I have an Orwellian dread of the death of language. When a person describes any piece of music as a song (probably because of the legacy if iTunes) I see several shades of red.