EyeShotFirst
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Return to Form, or Forum in this case!!Rebel1one1 said:
SilverWook said:
The only way to do that to the non-anamoprphic 1993 masters would be to blow up the letterboxed image, which would only make things worse.
Maybe... but I think the best we can hope for here would be a messy print up-scaled to 1080i... That's right we won't even get 1080p for the OOT because Lucas will want his latest special editions to look better than any other versions. I cannot understand why Lucas competed with himself when he released the GOUT? I mean simply giving us a copy in anamorphic widescreen would have satisfied just about everybody. On top of that a lot of people here would have had renewed faith in George Lucas. It's like George just doesn't want to let this fight go. What is he gaining by sticking it to everybody who grew up on his original creation? I'm starting to think he hates Star Wars and no matter what it will never be good enough.
He goes around saying "Oh every director wants to go back and fix things", but when I am done with something I am glad to be done. I don't like going back and fixing shit I did years ago. I have no problem with him "fixing" the movies, but he should show a little appreciation of the peeps who love the originals.
"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won't last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you'll be able to project it on a 20' by 40' screen with perfect quality. I think it's the director's prerogative, not the studio's to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas
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Imagination PrincessI don't think it's that. I think it's more of him wanting to hold on to the glory that is Star Wars for as long as he can make it last, especially considering it's a his biggest property. Updating the old movies, in his mind, keeps them relevant and fresh and able to continue to sell constantly.
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I am ready for the trials!Gaffer Tape said:
I don't think it's that. I think it's more of him wanting to hold on to the glory that is Star Wars for as long as he can make it last, especially considering it's a his biggest property. Updating the old movies, in his mind, keeps them relevant and fresh and able to continue to sell constantly.
I agree, as I always thought Lucas worried that the OOT would be like King Kong 1933 version to younger fans. Even though King Kong 1933 is a classic, many young kids would never watch it because of the movie being in black and white, and the effects feel out of date too.
Ironically, Star Wars OOT effects hold up really well 30 years later, and I think if new generation would have grown up on it, they would have loved it just as much. Just look at fans who grew up in the late 80's/early 90's who didn't see the OOT in the theaters, they never complained about the effects? The only time people complained about the effects is when Lucas starting changing the movies and the whole context of the movies changed, and you have TFN wackos yearning for more changes.
Rebel1one1
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Agent of ChaosI wouldn't be surprised if Lucas starts digitally replacing Luke, Han and Lea with new actors too. I wouldn't put it past him!
Baronlando
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Padawan LearnerI love when we get those EPK videos in tastefully decorated Ranch rooms where Lucas/Mccallum go on about the artistic integrity of upgrading the effects, as if it's not just a Coke Zero gimmick. 1997 Jabba was THE poster boy for how awesome the modern technology was going to make this new version in all the hype for the special edition. They were so proud of that thing...and a few years later it has to be replaced like a defective muffler.
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Tauntaun herder-Damn Fool Idealistic Crusaderzombie84 said:
skyjedi2005 said:
Remember when zombie84 reported on his site that the 2004 versions were only done in a resolution of 1080P. Not exactly blu ray reference quality.
This doesn't cut it for a theatrical release, but it shouldn't make a difference on Blu Ray.
Problem is, Lucas has basically made the Blu Ray resolution the negative, which is downright retarded. Even if he re-scanned the footage in 4k or 8k, all the additions done for the 2004 SE would be in 1080 because they were done on a 1080 negative and you will never change that. I realize the additions are few, but this means that even if they re-scanned the film in 8K for a theatrical showing, the prison cell shootout scene, the binary sunset shots, certain Mos Eisley shots, the Jabba scene, the Greedo shooting scene, certain shots from Ben's duel, the scene where Darth Vader meets the Emperor, the scene of Vader's unmasking, and the shots of the three Jedi ghosts--these will always be 1080 lines of resolution. Plus, every SE enhancement from 1997 will be in 2000 lines of resolution. How much footage does that amount for in ANH? Like 25% of the movie? So unless Lucas completely redoes the SE--which will never happen--the "definitive" version of the movie will always have a quarter of it in 1K/2K, even if being projected at 8K. Which is a little sad. 2K I could handle, because that's sort of the same degradation as optical compositing, but 1080? Ugh. Going to be interesting to see how theatrical screenings hold up.
That's probably why there haven't been any screenings since 97. Wonder what that Empire charity screening will look like.
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Child is the Father of the ManThe AFI showed the '04 edition at one point, don't remember why. As did the Academy for its "Great to be Nominated" series. Star Wars, of course.
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Tauntaun herder-Damn Fool Idealistic CrusaderGuess those are all digital screenings.
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SilverWook
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I am ready for the trials!It was part of a 20th Century retrospective, and Star Wars was selected to represent the 1970's. Lucas denied them permission to show an original print, thus missing the whole point of the festival. The '97 was shown in it's place.
Lucas has prevented several other screenings since then. I'm surprised he hasn't tried to take back the prints the Library of Congress and the British Film institute have in their collections.
There were limited showings of the trilogy timed to when the AFI sucked up to give Lucas an award in 2005. They were the '97 versions again.
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Not doing what fans want is one thing (this can be debated).
Another thing is to release shitty quality product like the GOUT (this can not be debated: it's called making easy money on the old fans back, playing with their nostalgia, aka "fuck you!").
I did not buy the GOUT even if it's the "real" trilogy that we all liked.
What I want to say is that if there is no OOT on this boxset, too bad of course I'd like it, but as far as the quality of what is presented is great, it's fine with me. People will know what they will buy (or not), no bad surprises. I'm cool with that.
What I think Lucas will do is selling this boxset without the OOT. Thinking that he could make another OOT boxset later on if he wants. Making us buying the SE OT in Blu Ray THEN the OOT later on.
Like the interviews said: it is not the "ultimate" boxset.
Rebel1one1
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Agent of ChaosThat is the key.. NOT THE ULTIMATE.. So we shouldn't be expecting anything more than his latest revision-festival. This set will still sell more than any other Blu Ray just because it is the Star Wars movies. I think Lucas is hoping people will forget that the OOT ever existed. Lucas wants everybody to think that the 1997 versions were the originals. It will be nice when he finally decides he is done and the words FINAL CUT appear on the front of the box. An Ultimate set would ideally feature all cuts of the movie including the OOT just like Blade Runner.
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Baronlando said:
zombie84 said:
I doubt it will be that expensive. It will probably be under $100, probably in the $89 range.
I dunno, it costs 80 bucks just to buy both of those crappy red/blue trilogy boxes at best buy right now.
People still buy DVDs at Best Buy?
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Agent of ChaosImrahil said:
People still buy DVDs at Best Buy?
Yeah that surprises me too. Best Buy is the overprice king when it comes to this type of stuff.
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btw the correct (and new & phun) terminology for the future piracy discussed prior is "Imminent Infringement"
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/04/21/1247253/ACTA-Treaty-Released?art_pos=4
"The full text of the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) was released today. It differs from the earlier leaks in that the negotiating stance of each country has been scrubbed. Preliminary analysis is up at Ars, which warns that "Several sections of the ACTA draft show that rightsholders can obtain an injunction just by showing that infringement is 'imminent,' even if it hasn't happened yet.""
http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/html/146029.htm
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/04/acta-is-here.ars
Bingowings
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Magister Pontifex MaximusI thought it was 2010 but it seems to be 1984.

On the doubleplus side choco rations are up.
Say goodbye, to all this and "hello" to Jason Issacs.
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I am ready for the trials!Why did SW deserve this?
No matter what we do, Lucas will always be stacked against us. He has more money, more yesmen, more sympathy in the media than we do. It's checkmate, so let's stop huffing the gasoline.
He has comitted The greatest atrocity in film history. This is so grevious a crime that I feel that the whole medium of film should be destroyed if it should come to pass that SW, ESB, and ROTJ are allowed to be remorselessly destroyed by it's own creator.
Makes me cynical about life.
PS I know this is hyperbolic
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Rebel1one1
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Agent of ChaosHopefully the release will be a positive one. However unlikely.
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legendary but little-known Jedi MasterI love Blu Ray, and SW is my favorite movie. But I can't see myself buying this, unless it includes the OT in some sort of reasonably improved quality, which of course is highly unlikely.
generalfrevious
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I am ready for the trials!Still, no one has answered my question:
Why did SW deserve to be treated so badly by Lucas?
Sounding like a broken record since May 2006.
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I am ready for the trials!generalfrevious said:
Still, no one has answered my question:
Why did SW deserve to be treated so badly by Lucas?
Because he is the creator and owns the rights to the movies, so sadly he can do what he wants. Essentially he has a monopoly on the fanbase.
generalfrevious
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I am ready for the trials!But still, no director has treated his films as atrociously as Lucas.
Sounding like a broken record since May 2006.
Baronlando
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Padawan LearnerJames Cameron said:
when George went back and put new creatures into the original Star Wars, I find that disturbing. It’s a revision of history. That bothers me.
If he doesn't listen to Cameron, he probably won't listen to us.
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I am ready for the trials!Baron, did James Cameron really say that? Wow, usually directors are a fraternity and they never speak out against another ones work.
I think we all know that EVERY director feels that way off the record, but that is pretty damning on Lucas that someone actually says it on the record.
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Magister Pontifex MaximusYou mark my words, in 2022 Jim will re-issue Avatar in 9D and end it with the Titanic falling out of the sky just full of alien queens.
Say goodbye, to all this and "hello" to Jason Issacs.
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Bingowings said:
You mark my words, in 2022 Jim will re-issue Avatar in 9D and end it with the Titanic falling out of the sky just full of alien queens.
By that time, we will have a CGI Yoda in ESB and ROTJ.