yeah, that track was incredible. It totally rules my iPod.

Kinda found the answer to my question in your thread at JWFan:
http://jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=13494&st=80&start=80

So was there a definite answer as to whether or not (a) this was indeed the LSO vs Prague and if so (b) was it from the same sessions as the film recording?

In any case, thanks to this and to your Boston Pops Jabba Theme, I've gotten two concert suites that I've always wished existed but seemed to be MIA.

Incidentally, I've made some mix discs of The Best of SW (one for the prequels and one for the OT) and on the latter, I've cobbled together a decent theme for Lando and for The Emperor from a couple of the score tracks.

"Lando Calrissian" was taken from Lando's Palace and Betrayal at Bespin.
"The Emperor's Theme" was taken from "The Emperor Arrives" and "The Emperor's Throne Room."

Now if there were only a concert suite theme for the Droids.

as far as the LSO, I honestly don't know where it came from. It was given to me, and I liked the performance better and the mix of it better.

There were several versions available to me, but I included that... but apparently no one knew that one existed (ironically lol)...

I need to ask my friend, but I'm almost certain it's the LSO... it sounds like that...

as for the sound getting to loud, that does sometimes become a problem with my edits. I usually listen in my car, so I suppose, subconsciously, I pump up the music a bit so that I don't have to turn it up so loud in my car...

I also prefer it louder. It's easier to turn the volume down than up. You turn the volume up, especially in a car, and you start adding hiss, and all this other digital noise (at least in my car)...

But I am very careful to make sure that the tracks don't get too loud. When I mix them and save them, I did check everything for any noise so there should not be any tracks that are "too loud."

As far as track 3 on Disc 2, that particular cue gave me a lot of trouble because it seemed that no matter how I mixed it, it sounded bad. It's only available on the SE, and the mixing on it is just bad... and there wasn't enough I could do to it... As far as being too loud, That is not too loud... It has no cut off....


If you are having trouble, when I made these sets, I balanced them in such a way that you should NOT need to use any presets on your players. If you use presets, you will undoubtedly have problems. Check to make sure you don't have your volume set up like this...

ie: Loudness, Orchestra, Pop, etc. These volume settings will mess the sound up. I make my sets in such a way that they do no require such settings and should be find without them.

So check on that and let me know if that's the problem... or if you still have one...

Are there any other incidents of this...

that really doesn't effect enough of it to warent any real fix. it's less than a second and only effects the timpani roll.

It is present in the SE and the Anthology. You can barely tell, but if you compare the two, it was a recording error. You get that same sound in the timpani in both. Mine just makes it more obvious because I've raised the volume and made the recording clearer and brighter.

You have to remember that these are mixed live as it's being recorded. That timpani roll must have caused a small problem when recording it...

These are something I'd be interested in hearing..

Me too.

PM. (Skywalka, turn yours on.)

New Question: What's the difference between track 16 on ESB2 and track 17 on ESB3. Were they just different takes? Also, which one was actually used in the film?

Thanx. It's turned on now. I don't know why it was off. I've received PMs in the past & never turned it off myself.

well, I'm really not sure how to answer your question since disc 3 only has 16 tracks... lol check your track numbers and get back to me.
If you mean track 17 on Disc 2 and Track 16 on Disc 3, the difference is this:

In the original 70mm cut of the film, the ending sequence was different in two ways: There were less effects shots but there was more dialog. Because of this, Williams wrote what you heard on Disc 3 which has an extended section near the end before the final grand statement of Han and Leia's theme and then into the end credits.


The only released version before the SE's was what you hear on track 17 on Disc 2. This is a re-score for the shortened, but yet lengthened sequence seen today.

There were effects shots added to the beginning of the sequence, but some of the dialog was cut and so Williams re-scored the scene with this take which doesn't have that section near the end before the final Han and Leia theme statement.

In the film, tracked music was brought in for when the Lando is prepping the falcon to leave for Tatooine. Then we hear whats a mix of the two versions.

The end credits however has two versions which are really the same but simply edited differently.

The one on Disc 2 is NOT the film version but is the easier to listen to of the two and has less jarring edits.

The one on Disc 3 IS heard in the film. Notice the strings disappear on the first note of the Imperial March segment in that one, but in the Disc 2 version, they play. That plus about 3-4 other edits differentiate the two versions. They're just different edits. Both have been released.

Thanks. You answered my question in great detail. The Imperial March segue is pretty jarring in both, but in different ways.

So do you mean that the track on disc 3 was the 70mm one or is it the exended one (for the 35mm version)? And is there a track representing the 70mm version?

EDIT: SO I was a little off.

Here is the official original cut/original audio as stated by film score monthly:

" In the final scene, there is no tracked music from "Yoda and the Force." The scene begins with the first establishing shot of the rebel fleet, then cuts inside the Falcon for Lando to say "Luke, we're ready for take-off" (but a differeny take of this is used). After Luke says (Voice Over), "Good Luck, Lando," scene cuts to inside the Rebel cruiser where Lando says, "When we find Jabba the Hutt and that bounty hunger, we'll contact you."


The comparison of the music however is this:

"Track 12, The Rebel Fleet/End Title: In 70mm versions of the film, the final scene began with this cue. Preparations of these prints began before the film was "locked," so the 35mm version contains several differences (see sidebar *the part just above this that I typed out*). The most prominent is the inclusion of extra dialogue and a few additional effects shots to the closing scene. The re-edited sequence required the tracking of a section of "Yoda and the Force" to precede "The Rebel Fleet." For both prints, a few bars of "The Rebel Fleet" were eliminated.

This track was called 'Finale' on the original album and the Gerhardt recording and "Finale/End Credits" on the anthology set."

Unfortunately, there was a lot of confusion with this score. Certain elements were missing and actually so was a lot of documentation.

in Star Wars, they didn't even know there was an alternate to Binary Sunset until they checked the recording schedule and saw one that was listed as "not used" when obviously something was used, they checked it and found the alternate.

Several alternates for Empire Strikes Back are left out of the set. The alternate end credits, the alternate Rebel Fleet, etc. My set includes all known alternates however.


With all that said, I could be wrong... It may be that the version on disc 3 is the "re-score" and that the one on disc 2 was the "original" BUT... because of the differences in sound quality and problems with mixing of "Rebel Fleet" on the SE, I still stand by my decision to put the tracks the way they are. The mixing of the track on disc 3 is wrong. The Celeste and the harp are mixed incorrectly and I am unable to fix that without the masters so lol...

BUT, if you want to switch them... it's not that difficult so do what you wish heh


If I had to give a guess... I'd say that the original is on Disc 2. That the rescore was to add some time to it and that's on disc 3 but notice they say that in both cases, some of the music is omitted. To me, that's odd. John Williams doesn't just leasurely compose music. The music is composed strictly to the film so if there was unused music in the "original cut," that means that the cut he composed to was probably one before the 70mm one and may have been the originator of the extra dialogue. That dialogue must have been removed and then that was what you see in the 70 mm cut.

John must have then been brought in to rescore the scene after that (which is simply skipping a few measures nothing serious at all and today would have been done simply through editing but in those days it was easier to record how you wanted it than it was to edit it. (also because the omited part has a harp glissando in it leading back into the used part.)

Then, they decided to reincorporate that dialogue but also add some effects shots to the beginning because George thought it wasn't long enough (this was documented in that Building an Empire edit I believe) or on the normal DVD's audio commentary (I actually think it was the audio commentary).

Anyways, they extended the scene, reincorporated the edited out material but I guess in a different way, which caused the music to not fit as it had been written so they edited the track, using bits of both versions. The effects shots were finished far late in the game (I think they said they were the last ones done and were rushed to get done and of course, Williams couldn't be brought in to re-re-score lol... so they tracked in music, edited the tracks they had to fit the new-new edit...

That's what I believe at least based on what I know and have read.

Firstly I'd like to apologize to all the people out there who've downloaded my set... I've gone back and fixed quite a few of the tracks on every disc. No discs have added tracks, all I've done is gone back and fix mixing on a few tracks...

I'm going to take down the sets, replace them with the new sets... and the new music I'll upload disc by disc, format by format

I really like how the set sounds now... it sounded pretty good before, but now it almost sounds professional in my opinion. The set on the whole feels much more cohesive...the sound is steady and the mixes are very similar and don't flop go from hissy to clean like it did before with a few tracks...

I mean, the fact that I'm mixing stuff ripped from the Star Wars Musical Journey DVD and it fits in perfectly should give you an idea....

Heres a list of the Updated Tracks:

Disc 1:

04 Wampa Ice-Lair
06 Snowspeeders Take Flight
08 Attack Positions
13 The Asteroid Field
15 Setting up Camp
17 Han Solo and the Princess
19 The Training of a Jedi Knight

Disc 2:

02 Yoda and the Force
03 Imperial Starfleet Deployed
07 Betrayal at Bespin
09 Deal with the Dark Lord
10 Carbon Freeze
11 Han Solo in Carbonite (Film)
12 Luke Pursues the Captives
16 Hyperspace

Disc 3

10 Star Wars Disco (same as before but the complete track)
11 The Imperial March Disco (same as before but better source)

I'll let you know when it's all up.
16 Finale (Alternate) End Credits (Film)

just wanted to let you all know that the updated Discs have been uploaded.

All three mp3 sets are up.

Also, I took the liberty of making correction packs for people who'd rather simply fix the tracks than re download the whole cd's.

Those are up as well for mp3.

Disc 2 in Flac is up. Disc 3 is uploading (will take about an hour), then I'm gonna upload disc 1.

After that, I'll upload the flac correction sets.

If any of you have a 5.1 set up on your computer or something, I'd recommend listening to at least some of it that way... it sounds amazing....

I'm really really really happy with this. I set out to just fix a few things... quick easy fix... some month or more later, I have a set that I can say is perhaps THE best set I've ever put out.

I hope you all enjoy it as much as I.

:-D

just wanted to say all the sets are up... enjoy

I just grabbed them . They sound great, thanks!

GM you're doin an amazing job, thanks a lot for this.

the new program so far has only been used partially on the Jedi set, and completely on this new Empire edit.

I'm planning on using it and going back and completely redoing all my edits. I'm going to redo my Jurassic Park complete score, my Jedi is going to be redone seeing as I've learned more information...

I also have been listening to my Episode I set and as pleased as I am with that, I've found a few errors that need fixing and I will fix.

That may be my next set to do actually... we'll see.

The download site here is down. Is there an alternative address.
Cheers