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DuracellEnergizer's avatar
RE: Star Wars: Episode VII to be directed by J.J. Abrams

$1000 is just chump change to a guy like Harrison Ford.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode VII to be directed by J.J. Abrams

DuracellEnergizer said:

$1000 is just chump change to a guy like Harrison Ford.

sickening.

btw does anyone think theres a way the ST could fix the PT retroactively, especially in regards to the continuity problems between the PT and OT?

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RE: Star Wars: Episode VII to be directed by J.J. Abrams

Yer he's paid his dues.

He only got an audition as Han Solo because they were being held at Coppola's place and he was working there as a Carpenter. Lucas felt bad, and gave him a shot. At that point he'd already done 10 or more films, including working for Lucas, Coppola and Antonioni.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode VII to be directed by J.J. Abrams

I've heard he still did work for his brother gardening sometime in the mid to late 2000's. A bit of a dick when it comes to Star Wars fans, but whatever, he's a model guy otherwise.

DuracellEnergizer's avatar
RE: Star Wars: Episode VII to be directed by J.J. Abrams

vacuum said:


btw does anyone think theres a way the ST could fix the PT retroactively, especially in regards to the continuity problems between the PT and OT?


Short of decanonizing it, no.

God doesn't think in terms of black or white - or even shades of gray - but in big, bright, bold hues of blue and orange.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode VII to be directed by J.J. Abrams

vacuum said:

btw does anyone think theres a way the ST could fix the PT retroactively, especially in regards to the continuity problems between the PT and OT?



Episode I:  A New Hope

Episode II:  The Empire Strikes Back

Episode III:  Return of the Jedi

Episode IV:  Episode 7 Title

Episode V:  Episode 8 Title

Episode VI:  Episode 9 Title


If Lucas can change the OT movies, then he can go back and change the opening crawls and the PT never existed.

 

DuracellEnergizer's avatar
RE: Star Wars: Episode VII to be directed by J.J. Abrams

Perhaps the episode numbers should be dropped altogether.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Perhaps the episode numbers should be dropped altogether.

I like that idea.

Actually, I'd really like an "episode number"-less version of then ANH, TESB, and ROTJ crawls.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode VII to be directed by J.J. Abrams

I hate the "episode _" labeling. This of course arose during the prequels when TPM was referred to as Episode 1.

It was Star Wars, Empire, and Jedi. Then it became 4,5,6,1,2,3. I always see this question pop up every month or two around the web.

"What order should I watch the SW movies?"

Responses:

123456

456123

451236

415236

867-5309

Bah!

Last edited on August 16, 2013 at 9:23 PM by georgec

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RE: Star Wars: Episode VII to be directed by J.J. Abrams

http://latino-review.com/2013/08/obi-wan-kenobi-set-to-return-star-wars-episode-vii/

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georgec's avatar
RE: Star Wars: Episode VII to be directed by J.J. Abrams

That idea's been out there for awhile. It could happen, but if it did I'd hardly credit Latino Review for "cracking the scoop".

Those guys just write whatever they can think of to get site hits.

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SilverWook said:

Since plotwise, Yoda wouldn't have to do much more than stand around looking all glowy and see through, recreate the ESB puppet, and get it right this time!

 Frank Oz ought to come back in any case if it ever happens.

Hope so, no matter how much Frank loved the CGI Yoda. On the other hand, last time they tried to recreate the puppet it didn't work so well. If Frank's not up to it though, Tom Kane has proven himself worthy.

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I really hope there won't be any old characters coming back as force ghosts. That was one of the things I really liked about Zahn's books - he recognized the stupidity of the scene in ROTJ, where Obi-Wan, instead of being a disembodied voice or a flickering apparition, appeared as a ghost to rest his but on a stone and have a whole expository conversation with Luke and so Zahn had Obi-Wan appear to Luke one last time telling Luke that he's moving on and Luke will have to deal with what's coming on his own.

It really cheapens the death of a character, when you  can just bring them back whenever it's convenient - it kinda worked in ESB, because it was handled pretty tastefully but I think that on the whole, it's a pretty cheap plot device and it would be even worse to use it just to give the dead characters some kind of a cameo. Plus, imagine the horror if they brought Hayden back as Anakin's ghost... Urgh!

Last edited on August 17, 2013 at 11:44 AM by Harmy

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RE: Star Wars: Episode VII to be directed by J.J. Abrams

At the risk of mixing metaphors and reading as a scratched record Star Wars as Dune lite takes some of the really clever ideas of Herbert and returns them to their more traditional narrative origins.

Herbert doesn't have ghosts but invading persona's from the (then fashionable notion) genetic memory of the drug enhanced and intensively trained minds of his eugenically conditioned characters.

Or they are clones that recover the memories of their previous incarnations in much the same way (sort of like Ripley 8 in Alien 4).

In terms of story mechanism it's still a ghost but it gives a harder science fiction explanation as to how the dead come back to interact with the living.

If Leia like Alia were to be tormented by an evil Grandfather figure she conspired against and helped kill, it would be an actual ghost not a split personality.

I have no problem with that as long as it's a genuinely frightening ghost story and not just a transparent red haloed return of the character as he was alive.

I agree with Harmy, Ben sitting on a log and delivering exposition was one of the dumbest moments of Star Wars.

Last edited on August 17, 2013 at 3:00 PM by Bingowings

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RE: Star Wars: Episode VII to be directed by J.J. Abrams

Harmy said:

I really hope there won't be any old characters coming back as force ghosts. That was one of the things I really liked about Zahn's books - he recognized the stupidity of the scene in ROTJ, where Obi-Wan, instead of being a disembodied voice or a flickering apparition, appeared as a ghost to rest his but on a stone and have a whole expository conversation with Luke and so Zahn had Obi-Wan appear to Luke one last time telling Luke that he's moving on and Luke will have to deal with what's coming on his own.

It really cheapens the death of a character, when you  can just bring them back whenever it's convenient - it kinda worked in ESB, because it was handled pretty tastefully but I think that on the whole, it's a pretty cheap plot device and it would be even worse to use it just to give the dead characters some kind of a cameo. Plus, imagine the horror if they brought Hayden back as Anakin's ghost... Urgh!

Yeah totally agree.

Also, Anakin really shouldn't even have a ghost, when you think about it. Not just from a PT perspective but from an OT perspective too. When I was a kid I was always confused why this guy showed up that people kept telling me was ghost Anakin. But didn't Obi-Wan tell him that he would become more powerful than he could possibly imagine? And why didn't Anakin disappear when he died?

Let's hope the force jedi count in the new films is zero. I could do with some dialogue from Luke saying something like "it's been twenty years since I've seen them. I'm on my own now." If the force ghosts just stayed around to make sure that Luke got his jedi order fixed up, then left, I'll be happy.

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SilverWook said:

Yeah, Hamlet being haunted by his dad was soooo lame. ;)

I presume what was left of Anakin vanished between Luke dragging him onto the shuttle and escaping the Death Star. Lucas said somewhere the armor was empty when Luke burns it. Had we seen the body vanish in the movie, that would have spoiled the ending a tad...

If it's the usual retcon by George, one can presume Ben and Yoda helped him cross over. Qui Gon didn't vanish either.

Hadn't thought about Vader not appearing to disapear, if you pardon the expression. The armour does look empty on the pyre now you mention it. If any FX savy editors are listening, I'd love to see a mockup version of the hanger bay scene where Vader's face disapears leaving just the armour. Just to see how it would play emotionaly.

I just assumed that the real reason Jedi's don't vanish in the PT was because George realised that they all needed to die and having hundreds of Jedi's all vanishing would look silly. It would've been like a bad FPS when all the corpses vanish 3 seconds after you shoot them. But then he never really explained it by the end of the PT. Just some throw away nonsense about Qui-Gon.

I don't think any force ghosts are needed in the ST as all the character arcs were all wrapped up in ROTJ. I always felt that when Luke gives them a contended smile in that last scene in the Ewok village, that it would be the last time they'd apear to him or anybody. Yoda, Ben and Anakin probably went to whatever the Jedi equivelant of the undying lands is ;-)

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I hope that they don't bring back ghost characters like Yoda and Obi-wan, but for a different reason. Years from now, a whole lot of kids will have seen Episode 7 before any of the other movies, and to ruin Yoda and Obi-wan and spoil Anakin before they've seen the Originals is as bad as what the prequels did. There will come a time when nobody will have experienced Luke's revelations concerning Yoda and Vader as revelations, having been told this information in both the prequels and the sequels. And that does great damage to the Originals in my opinion.

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Harmy said:

I really hope there won't be any old characters coming back as force ghosts. That was one of the things I really liked about Zahn's books - he recognized the stupidity of the scene in ROTJ, where Obi-Wan, instead of being a disembodied voice or a flickering apparition, appeared as a ghost to rest his but on a stone and have a whole expository conversation with Luke and so Zahn had Obi-Wan appear to Luke one last time telling Luke that he's moving on and Luke will have to deal with what's coming on his own.

It really cheapens the death of a character, when you  can just bring them back whenever it's convenient - it kinda worked in ESB, because it was handled pretty tastefully but I think that on the whole, it's a pretty cheap plot device and it would be even worse to use it just to give the dead characters some kind of a cameo. Plus, imagine the horror if they brought Hayden back as Anakin's ghost... Urgh!

Well I just don't see how it worked in ESB and not in ROTJ. I think it worked well overall.

It was only ruined by the Hayden, which is by far the worst change to OT.

Prequel Trilogy was supposed to be a story about a good man turning bad. In reality, it is a story about how a complete jerk (PT Anakin) turned into one of the best characters in film history (OT Vader)

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