brash_stryker
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What is it with Ricks?Well I've been a lurker on these boards for a while, and joined this year and I think it's about time I started getting in on this editing lark :)
My first edit will be of Attack of the Clones, as I feel that film is the biggest mess out of all of the prequels. If this edit is a success, I may move onto the other 2 prequels. I have no intention of editing the OT as I feel Adywan's edits will be the definitive versions (which will no doubt be true for his PT edits too, but at least I have a head start on him for those :P)
I see this edit more as a proof of concept than a definitive edition of the film. There are far more adept editors out there than me who can make a more ambitious edit. Hopefully, my edit will demonstrate some of my ideas compellingly enough that they appear in other people's subsequent edits too.
The Phantom Editor's cut, "Attack of the Phantom" has been invaluable, as many of his changes are spot on and are being incorporated into my edit.
The ideas at the The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread have also been helpful, and many of my changes will have been raised by myself and others in that thread.
Members Trooperman, SomethingStarWarsRelated, Angel, bobgarcia74, Darth Editous and mrbenja0618 have also been extremely helpful, whether it's letting me borrow their concepts, giving me advice, brainstorming with me or helping me out with the technical side of things. Thanks guys!
Also, 'confusedmatthew' and 'Redlettermedia' and their video reviews of the film have both been an amazing resource, pointing out the stuff that just doesn't make sense.
So onto the details:
Software:
Final Cut Pro
Adobe After Effects CS5
Soundtrack Pro
Garageband
DVD Studio Pro
Equipment
Mac Mini 2.53GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
Blue Yeti USB Microphone
Me and my insomniac tendencies
Sources:
DVD of Attack of the Clones
Assorted Star Wars soundtracks - from both the films and computer games.
Assorted online sound effects libraries.
My aims with this edit:
To address the nonsensical plot, Jedi stupidity, Anakin being an asshole, Boba Fett being a kid, and many other issues.
General Changes (constant throughout):
Specific Changes:
Episode II
THE GALAXY DIVIDED
The time of Peace is over.
Several thousand star systems
have declared
their intentions to overthrow,
the Republic.
This separatist movement, led by
former Jedi Master Dooku, has
made it difficult for the limited
number of Jedi Knights to maintain
peace and order in the galaxy.
With the prospect of dark times ahead,
and with the galaxy on the brink of open
war, Supreme Chancellor Palpatine has
Approved the deployment of a CLONE
ARMY to assist the overwhelmed
Jedi....
Changes I'd like to make, but need some guidance:
I've currently made a few rough videos from my timeline showing a few examples of the changes. These are by no means final, and could use more tweaking (not to mention colour correction)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUsl3qi8LP8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrIPznFKkmY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKiVFstZV2Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eTxp1IgdAA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=var1udq3hi4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onooMQABtcg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsJ0Dlx1hJM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGTTG4Bbjf0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49L3xzkZ3Pc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKxDE9mJtrw
And here are a couple of mockups of my intended changes/additions:


I plan to assemble a 5.1 surround mix, and a dvd with a simple menu. Nothing too fancy. Although it will incorporate seemless branching ;)
I would appreciate any help, input or suggestions people can give me. The best edits are a collaborative effort, and hopefully we can come up with something special.
Angel
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¤°•°•°•°•°•°•°•°•°¤Some questions to start over :)
Any chance of color correction? In not radical at least something?
New music?
I suggest to make global changes such as color correction and then go to the edit room.
As fo the recoloring armors AE can do the job pretty well.
take care, i ll be watching :)
-Angel
(♥Io♥)
brash_stryker
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What is it with Ricks?I'm hoping to colour correct and add new music (your mockups would be an invaluable resource for me doing the former).
In regards to the music, I'd like to change the music in places, to give the film more of an OT feel but I'll have to see about that as both the dialogue and existing music are on the centre audio channel. Hopefully I can make the existing music almost inaudible. We'll see!
At the moment, I'm concentrating on the dialogue/visuals, and I'll go back to sort out the sound after that part is finished :)
I'd love to know if there was a program that generated the 5 other channels based on what's in the centre channel. Would make the job a hell of a lot easier!
Is there anything stopping me editing, and then doing the colour correcting? I've never done colour correction before and have just jumped straight in to cut all the crap out.
Angel
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¤°•°•°•°•°•°•°•°•°¤Well I think that is best to finish with the "easy" ones as global color correction and then start editing and do a shot by shot more careful color correction.
Ady i assume can help or give you tips :)
-Angel
(♥Io♥)
Ripplin
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OT's bucketbotLooking forward to following this one. I noticed that you linked to the 'Obi-Wan the misogynist' video; is that just to show people what you've been doing, or is there any thought of putting it in the actual edit. It is pretty funny, though it might end up being a throwaway joke in the grand scheme of things.
brash_stryker
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What is it with Ricks?Well I'd like to remove the reference of the assassin being a changeling, so I'm considering it. I think it's only funny to us because we know what the line was originally.
Comments like that are rife in movies in the era of the OT. I thought it might give Zam a Femme Fatale vibe. Thoughts?
Angel
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¤°•°•°•°•°•°•°•°•°¤take some footage from mystic of Xmen!
yeah! Femme fatale for sure :D
-Angel
(♥Io♥)
brash_stryker
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What is it with Ricks?Now mystique is definitely a "changeling" that could fit into star wars :P
brash_stryker
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What is it with Ricks?I've updated the list of changes to as far as I've got in my timeline. Not all these changes are done already, but all are planned. I will add more soon.
brash_stryker
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What is it with Ricks?Well my edit should be back underway after a computer crash, and having to relocate my project files after a clean OS install.
Stay tuned...
Bingowings
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Magister Pontifex MaximusIt would be good (if possible) if you could stabilise Zam's face before the morph so she just dies (we don't need to hear her swear in Zamese).
IrishLuck1980
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Mover and ShakerLet the prequels die already. No amount of editing will make these films decent. They are garbage, through and through. I have thrown out anything that is prequel related. (Except the Soundtracks. John Williams came through for us there).
It's Not the Years, It's the Mileage.
Bingowings
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Magister Pontifex MaximusThey are the only prequels we are going to have so we might as well make the best of them and unlike the OT there is so much that people aren't precious about so they can be a useful testing ground/learning experience for people new to the game.
I've seen some PT edits that really improve things and some of the ideas on the Radical Redux Thread show genuine promise.
As for the OT ROTJ has almost as much wrong with it.
I can't imagine anyone even suggesting some of the ideas for changes for a film like ESB.
And that promotes imagination.
So in a way Lucas' mis-steps get the little grey cells firing more because they were such a let down.
Ithilgore
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IrishLuck1980 said:Let the prequels die already. No amount of editing will make these films decent. They are garbage, through and through. I have thrown out anything that is prequel related. (Except the Soundtracks. John Williams came through for us there).
That attitude accomplishes nothing.
brash_stryker
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What is it with Ricks?I have a video of the opening uploading to youtube as we speak. It's very slow for some reason. Will add a link when it's finished uploading.
In order to change it from panning up to panning down, I've done a freeze frame of the empty starfield for the duration of the crawl and rotated it 180 degrees along with the following shot of the pan up so it now pans down.
A new crawl will be put on top of the freeze frame - I've read before about someone having made a good template for writing crawls (was it for after effects?) Can anyone direct me to this?
And what I'm wondering about my rotated shot is it seems to have lost quality in output when compared to the unaltered shot immediately following it. Anyone got any idea why this is? Or how to rectify it?
Bingowings
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Magister Pontifex MaximusSeeing as you have a Mac this might be useful :
http://alienryderflex.com/crawl/
And this thread if you want to have more control over the process:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/UPDATED-v0-4-Star-Wars-Opening-Crawl-After-Effects-Template-SEE-FIRST-POST/post/307531/#post307531
brash_stryker
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What is it with Ricks?Ah I don't have a Mac. I'm editing on Adobe Premiere on Windows 7.
I think you may have misread me saying I'd installed a new OS as me meaning OSX.
I do have a hackintosh partition running Leopard, but that's not what I'm using. I'm far more familiar with Premiere although Final Cut is far superior.
Thanks for the link :)
brash_stryker
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What is it with Ricks?Still processing, but here it is. If anyone has any insight into why turning the shot upside down would reduce the quallity, that would be a great help.
I just hope the youtube clip is good enough that people can see what I mean:
Bingowings
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Magister Pontifex MaximusI'm trying to partition Hackintosh my slab too (it's currently Ubuntu'd or Um Bongo'd as I keep calling it).
Though I'm currently writing to you on a Mac.
brash_stryker
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What is it with Ricks?There's a good guide on lifehacker on installing Snow Leopard from scratch on a hackintosh. And seeing as the upgrade disk for Snow Leopard (25 quid) can also be used for a full install (EULA aside), it's as near a legit way of doing it as you're going to get.
Just slap an apple sticker on that bad boy! :)
brash_stryker
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What is it with Ricks?SSWR. Thanks for the comment. For some reason Youtube won't let me reply to you, and I JUST realised this is a change already implemented in your AOTC Fan-o-matic. D'oh!
SomethingStarWarsRelated
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is this like a facebook status?brash_stryker said:SSWR. Thanks for the comment. For some reason Youtube won't let me reply to you, and I JUST realised this is a change already implemented in your AOTC Fan-o-matic. D'oh!
Oh believe me, this is not something I came up with...it's been around for a while...
But yeah thanks! :D
By-the-way, I actually *did* get your reply on youtube... :D
brash_stryker
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What is it with Ricks?Hmm weird. I'm on the page and it only shows one comment, no reply from me.
Angel
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¤°•°•°•°•°•°•°•°•°¤Make sure to use what i gave you ;)
-Angel
(♥Io♥)
brash_stryker
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What is it with Ricks?Haha I was looking at that today actually, trying to find a place to use it. I'm cutting the actual scene it's from, so I don't know.
Don't worry. I won't give it to anyone else in any case ;)