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Baronlando's avatar
RE: Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)

I used to use that quote when arguing at TFN, didn't matter. Those mooks all thought they understood cinematography better than American Cinematographer. Annoying, but it's a good indicator of the psycho loyalty LFL enjoys. It's like having a whole marketing spin team that works for free.

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RE: Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)

Baronlando said:

I used to use that quote when arguing at TFN, didn't matter. Those mooks all thought they understood cinematography better than American Cinematographer. Annoying, but it's a good indicator of the psycho loyalty LFL enjoys. It's like having a whole marketing spin team that works for free.

i thought this was interesting:

Overall, the clarity of the images in all three films is astounding. Though detrimental to the first film’s visual scheme, the increased sharpness reveals new details in production design and wardrobe. A restoration team at Lowry Digital spent three months working with more than 600 Power Mac G5s (making up more than 378 terabytes of space) to clean the original films and create pristine digital masters. The color transfers for The Empire Strikes Backand Return of the Jedi are nowhere near as problematic as the one for Star Wars;although contrast has been slightly increased in both films, the differences are not nearly as stark. Both Empire and Jedi look fantastic, and some color-correction tweaks have improved previously lackluster visual-effects moments, such as Luke Skywalker’s fight with the Rancor in Jedi. The new color-correction of this scene has cleaned up the composite shots, matching the live-action photography with the stop-motion-animated monster much more precisely, rendering a more effective sequence.

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i tend to agree with this description.

 

anyways, it took them 3 months with 378T of space.

we're working on 6 months now with about 8-10T of space.

of course, it's also 1-2 people vs a team. and of course our

results will be somewhat comparable but not quite as detailed.

still, a good read.

 

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negative1's avatar
RE: Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)

here are some stills scanned from

the original 1976 trailer, color

has NOT been adjusted:

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http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4568/swep4trailer00001x480.th.jpg

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/337/swep4trailer00002x480.th.jpg

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5535/swep4trailer00003x640x.th.jpg

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6765/swep4trailer00004x640x.th.jpg

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/3787/swep4trailer00005x640x.th.jpg

 

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digitalfreaknyc's avatar
RE: Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)

Man,

I would love to have HD captures of the various trailers.

negative1's avatar
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digitalfreaknyc said:

Man,

I would love to have HD captures of the various trailers.

 

our release

will probably have one trailer transferred

from 35mm to HD on it.

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negative1's avatar
RE: Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)

here's some more examples

of the trailer, some are kind

of blurry though:

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http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9526/swep4trailer00006x640x.th.jpg

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4607/swep4trailer00007x640x.th.jpg

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/3770/swep4trailer00008x640x.th.jpg

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/927/swep4trailer00009x640x.th.jpg

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2848/swep4trailer00010x640x.th.jpg

 

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negative1's avatar
RE: Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)

a continuation

of frames from the trailer..

some of these did not appear

in the final film version:

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http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/7098/swep4trailer00011x640x.th.jpg

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/31/swep4trailer00012x640x.th.jpg

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/1511/swep4trailer00013x640x.th.jpg

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/5787/swep4trailer00014x640x.th.jpg

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6378/swep4trailer00015x640x.th.jpg

 

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negative1's avatar
RE: Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)

here's some of the shots from

the empire strikes back:

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http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/5803/esbassemble1s.th.jpg

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/2899/esbassemble2s.th.jpg

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3351/esbassemble3sd.th.jpg

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2305/esbassemble4s.th.jpg

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2690/esbassemble5sd.th.jpg

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5282/esbassemble6sd.th.jpg

http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/3306/esbassemble7s.th.jpg

http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/2489/esbassemble8sd.th.jpg

 

 

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Last edited on August 12, 2012 at 6:42 AM by negative1

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kitt1987's avatar
RE: Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)

Wow! Just looking at those frames even on my iPad look great!  Really looking forward to your releases more and more!

 

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RE: Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)

These are the colours I'm looking for !! ;-)

Last edited on August 11, 2012 at 7:19 AM by Fantomas
pittrek's avatar
RE: Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)

Lovely color palette

7FN's avatar
RE: Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)

Beautiful - just beautiful! THAT'S how I remember Empire looking in 1980! Lovely natural looking film grain and no over-sharpened images. I'm saving these :)

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RE: Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)

These ESB samples are looking very nice, great job of the color timer, I think this was also just a first pass on it, am I right -1? Keep up the good work! :)

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

TServo2049's avatar
RE: Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)

Wonderful. I saw a theatrical screening of The Blues Brothers back in June, it was from a clean and likely fairly recent LPP print, but it still had the original 1980 theatrical timing. It had this same pastel look.

Harmy's avatar
RE: Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)

Yes, these look incredible. Congratulations on those :-)

LIST OF MY PROJECTS

Mona Lisa Special Edition

Pennsylvania Jones said:

"Stick and Stones will break my bones but the Blu-Rays will never Harmy." 

Lucas: I am altering the film. Pray I don't alter it any further.

Fans: This film is getting worse all the time!

 

Asaki's avatar
RE: Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)

msycamore said:

These ESB samples are looking very nice, great job of the color timer, I think this was also just a first pass on it, am I right -1? Keep up the good work! :)

 Yep, those are all really old shots.

To help the analysis further, take a look at these close ups of Obi-Wan's beard -- STENDEC

msycamore's avatar
RE: Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)

They look perfect already, it's actually hard to believe it was pink faded when seeing the fantastic colors on those.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

negative1's avatar
RE: Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)

thanks everyone for the kind words.

we appreciate it! and harmy, cinch

wants me to let you know he saw

your workprint for star wars, is very

impressed with your color corrections.

they match most of our colors too! very good job!

 

here's some comparison shots i've posted

before of our version versus some of the

35mm and 70mm scans out there.

our version is on the right:

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http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2377/35mmcomp01.th.jpg

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2082/35mmcomp02.th.jpg

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1591/70mmcomp01.th.jpg

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/6046/70mmcomp02.th.jpg

 

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lurker77's avatar
RE: Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)

ESB looks great! :D

snicker's avatar
RE: Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)

Impressive work. Looks superb.

jero32's avatar
RE: Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)

So...how does George Lucas get away with claiming he can't restore the original version again?

Last edited on August 12, 2012 at 11:14 AM by jero32
cboy007's avatar
RE: Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)

It’s very encouraging to see such beautiful shots from those reels. Thanks.

digitalfreaknyc's avatar
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I think this project will single-handedly force George to do an HD version of the OT.

Brooks' avatar
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Gorgeous shots, thanks for sharing!

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msycamore said:

I tracked down this comparison from the The XØ Project thread, there really is a huge difference.

here are our very dark versions.. not quite

corrected:

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http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5598/swr116343.th.jpg

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/1600/swr117365.th.jpg

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/9127/swr210399.th.jpg

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/630/swr210678.th.jpg

 

 

 

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