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Star Trek 1-6 HDTV non DNR versions

Anyone have these?

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Jetrell Fo's avatar
RE: Star Trek 1-6 HDTV non DNR versions

Not here but I would love to have them.  Guess it's time for another internet search.

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RE: Star Trek 1-6 HDTV non DNR versions

I have been looking off and on for 5 years, I should have ripped them when channel 4 in the UK showed them 6 years ago 

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_,,,^..^,,,_'s avatar
RE: Star Trek 1-6 HDTV non DNR versions

What about a project based onto PAL laserdiscs?

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They used to have non-DNR HD versions on Demonoid long ago. Never saw them being seeded; otherwise, I would have grabbed them. Hopefully some one on the forum has them...

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The Aluminum Falcon said:

They used to have non-DNR HD versions on Demonoid long ago. Never saw them being seeded; otherwise, I would have grabbed them. Hopefully some one on the forum has them...

I sure miss Demonoid ..... could find things there I couldn't find anywhere else.

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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

What about a project based onto PAL laserdiscs?

 

That would be cool as a curio, but these are great looking filmic transfers.

They are old masters but miles better than the blurays and are the theatrical cuts

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dvdmike said:

They are old masters but miles better than the blurays and are the theatrical cuts

"They" are referred to HDTV or laserdisc versions?

It would be cool (to me, at least) to do a restoration project of EP1-8 with PAL laserdiscs as source (and EP9 from NTSC LD as no PAL LD was available) - EP1,2,7,8 have italian soundtrack, too...

By the way, EP6 on the PAL UK laserdisc boxset is the extended version, and include a prologue by Leonard Nimoy... IIRC the latter was not available on BD, right?

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Jetrell Fo's avatar
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Star Trek: Insurrection was the last LD for the series.  As for ST: The Undiscovered Country being the extended cut for PAL and have a Nimoy prologue, I do not know.  The Collectors Edition 2 DVD set was the ONLY widely available version of the Extended Cut.  It did NOT make it to Bluray .... they are all theatrical release versions.  

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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

dvdmike said:

They are old masters but miles better than the blurays and are the theatrical cuts

"They" are referred to HDTV or laserdisc versions?

It would be cool (to me, at least) to do a restoration project of EP1-8 with PAL laserdiscs as source (and EP9 from NTSC LD as no PAL LD was available) - EP1,2,7,8 have italian soundtrack, too...

By the way, EP6 on the PAL UK laserdisc boxset is the extended version, and include a prologue by Leonard Nimoy... IIRC the latter was not available on BD, right?

HDTV, I thought 6 was only the extended version worldwide on LD

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dvdmike said:

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

dvdmike said:

They are old masters but miles better than the blurays and are the theatrical cuts

"They" are referred to HDTV or laserdisc versions?

It would be cool (to me, at least) to do a restoration project of EP1-8 with PAL laserdiscs as source (and EP9 from NTSC LD as no PAL LD was available) - EP1,2,7,8 have italian soundtrack, too...

By the way, EP6 on the PAL UK laserdisc boxset is the extended version, and include a prologue by Leonard Nimoy... IIRC the latter was not available on BD, right?

HDTV, I thought 6 was only the extended version worldwide on LD

I can tell you the NTSC LD that I have of ST: TUC is not extended. 

Last edited on May 14, 2013 at 6:09 PM by Jetrell Fo
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Jetrell Fo said:

dvdmike said:

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

dvdmike said:

They are old masters but miles better than the blurays and are the theatrical cuts

"They" are referred to HDTV or laserdisc versions?

It would be cool (to me, at least) to do a restoration project of EP1-8 with PAL laserdiscs as source (and EP9 from NTSC LD as no PAL LD was available) - EP1,2,7,8 have italian soundtrack, too...

By the way, EP6 on the PAL UK laserdisc boxset is the extended version, and include a prologue by Leonard Nimoy... IIRC the latter was not available on BD, right?

HDTV, I thought 6 was only the extended version worldwide on LD

I can tell you the NTSC LD that I have of ST: TUC is not extended. 

Every version on LDDB is the 113 min version

http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/24026/LV32301/Star-Trek-VI:-The-Undiscovered-Country-(1991)

http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/11216/LV32301-WS/Star-Trek-VI:-The-Undiscovered-Country-(1991)

 

From Wiki

he Undiscovered Country was released on VHS and in widescreen and pan and scan formats on Laserdisc in June 1992;[116] the release added a few minutes of new footage to the film.[117] Because of a trend in supermarket video sales and rentals, Paramount offered rebates for the home video release of The Undiscovered Country through boxes of Kellogg's Frosted Mini-Wheats.[118] The Laserdisc version of the film was the tenth highest-selling video during 1992.[119] The home video cut was later released for the film's 1999 DVD debut.[117]

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3 minutes of extra footage that I must've missed.  Anyone know what that extra footage is?  The ONLY extended version I've seen is the one on the Collector's 2 DVD Edition and those scenes (Spock, Volaris, and the memory flashbacks) are NOT on my LD.

I even have the original Widescreen Collection DVD with the red bar at the bottom of the cover art and I KNOW those scenes are not on that either.  I've watched it more times than I could even remember.

Last edited on May 14, 2013 at 9:59 PM by Jetrell Fo
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Jetrell, you are right, according to this review - so, it seems that EP6 as seen on laserdisc is not present on BD and/or DVD...

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I just got done checking my Widescreen Collection DVD ... I'm confused as the scenes the review describes are there, just not the extra ones that ended up on the 2 Disc Collector's Edition (the flashback scenes on the bridge).

I was not aware that those scenes in the review were extra scenes so technically, I am actually wrong, and the LD, VHS and WS DVD are all the same. 

Weird and weird ........ I learned something new today.

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So its a new hybrid? ugh!

I am theatrical only personally 

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http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=2466

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Jetrell Fo's avatar
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http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/2469/startrek6_undiscoveredcountry.html

Per THIS article, the Bluray is the ONLY release of the Theatrical Release ever available.

Apparently I just learned more new things .... and all in one thread.  LMAO

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RE: Star Trek 1-6 HDTV non DNR versions

I investigated a bit these days, and it seems that effectively there are three versions:

Theatrical cut (available on BD, 2.35:1)

Extended Edition (available on LD, 1.90:1)

Special Edition (available on DVD, 1:85:1)

(any correction are welcome!)

So, at least, there are no Extended or Special Edition available on Blu Ray... yet!

Yes, I agree that the best option is the thetrical cut, but the EE has its right to be preserved, don't you think?

 

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Extended Editions were on VHS, LD, and DVD (Single Disc)

 

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Technically even the BD is NOT the theatrical cut. it has redone the closing credits :-) At least according to an online article, the version with which I grew up was the VHS version.

So there should be :

- theatrical version (not released)

- VHS version (new scenes added, you guys already mentioned which they are)

- DVD version (I only have the 2DVD collector's edition, but from what I've heard the 1DVD version should have the same cut) - identical to the VHS version, but when Spock interrogates Valeris some closeups replaced wideangle shots of mainly Shatner, and the faces of the traitors are shown, but the length is NOT affected (I know because the VHS dub perfectly matched with my DVD :-) )

- BluRay version - "almost" identical to the theatrical version, but has some changes in the closing credits (I have nothing for comparing it so I don't know if it's true or not)

 

EDIT : According to memory-alpha.org :

The end credits had a different format for the theatrical version. It featured the Starfleet Insignia at the top and the screen split between a white background and dark lettering and the other side with a dark background with white lettering.

Last edited on May 15, 2013 at 5:52 PM by pittrek
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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

By the way, EP6 on the PAL UK laserdisc boxset is the extended version, and include a prologue by Leonard Nimoy... IIRC the latter was not available on BD, right?

I quote myself (!) because I wrongly wrote that the prologue by Leonard Nimoy was included in EP6, while it was before EP4; plus, EP4 PAL laserdisc has also a four-minute so called "european prologue", that could be not available in US editions (I need confirmation about it); if it's true, then EP4 and EP6 on (PAL) laserdiscs are different from the blu-ray editions, and (may) worth a restoration...

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The BD are the same exact masters as the HDTV versions except for II which got a restoration from the o-neg.

How much DVNR was applied on these older existing masters is up for debate but every film clearly had work done.

I think star trek I might just be from an earlier HD transfer with the DVNR already applied but i could be wrong.

Also Trek VI looks like an inferior old transfer and not the result of DVNR. As far as i could tell.

III-V however are really heavy DVNR.  And no reason as to why it was done.

 

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RE: Star Trek 1-6 HDTV non DNR versions

The pre-DNR versions are on a cerTain PuBlic tracker, but only in 720p, and if you have the patience to wait for the sporadic seed activity. It may have taken me close to 2 weeks each to get STII and STVI.

For the record, the old HDTV transfer of VI is the theatrical cut, but at 1.90:1. The credits don't have a Starfleet insignia, they look the same as the other versions.

I will believe the claim of an alternate credit sequence when I see visual proof. (Could it have only been on the 70mm prints, like the numberless TWOK title?)

Last edited on May 17, 2013 at 6:27 PM by TServo2049
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