SilverWook said:

Yes, but I haven't seen any STID stuff in the toy aisles. Most of the summer blockbusters are represented. Even that snail movie got a toy line.

ok, no toy, so what?   It doesn't change my point.  No Trek fans, no Trek movies.   No Trek movies,  Pegg doesn't get paid.

Ryan McAvoy said:

Warbler said:

SilverWook said:

Yes, but I haven't seen any STID stuff in the toy aisles. Most of the summer blockbusters are represented. Even that snail movie got a toy line.

ok, no toy, so what?   It doesn't change my point.  No Trek fans, no Trek movies.   No Trek movies,  Pegg doesn't get paid.

Just guessing here but...

You don't like Simon Pegg (and JJ) putting his heart into STID, then reacting angrily when some fans diss it way out of proportion and saying "F*ck you" in response.

I don't mind him putting his heard into STID, if that is what he did.  I mind his response to the fans.   I thought it was a rude thing to do to the people that pay him. 

Ryan McAvoy said:

...you prefer George Lucas' approach (Who didn't put his heart into the SE changes) of mocking and laughing at the fans who are irritated by the SE changes via his commentary tracks. Plus inserting a gag to annoy the fans into a scene from TPM.

you couldn't be more wrong here.   I hate George Lucas.   I thought the PT was terrible, and I can't stand the fact the he refused to release the OOT.   The way he treats fans is a disgrace.

Ryan McAvoy said:

Just so long as George doesn't use a naughty word in the heat of the moment, it's fine. Much better to bide his time, then come back years later and dub Vader going "Noooooooo" and digitally inserting Hayden into ROTJ to piss everyone off. It seems in the SW world, revenge on your fans is a dish best served cold.

I have no idea how my criticizing Pegg lead you to this conclusion about me.  Any one that has been in this forum for a long time can tell you that it is wrong.   I have never liked any of the changes to the OT.    Not why my criticizing Pegg means I can't also criticize Lucas.  You make no sense. 

punish them?  who is talking punishment?  I don't even want to punish Pegg. I am just saying that the Pegg's Salary comes from the fans, and Pegg shouldn't be rude to them.   

I think there is a disconnect in your logic.

Old ST fans who are more likely to have hated STID are not going to be the ones throwing money at J.J. Trek products and ticket sales. It isn't like when the next J.J. Trek comes out they are going to say, well, I was going to go see this turkey of a film, but since Simon Pegg is an ass there is no chance in hell I'm giving any of my money to him. 

That is a good point too. Actors don't get "salaries" from films.

Also I should add that anyone who is an actual fan of Simon Pegg isn't likely to be bothered by his "fuck you" comments, even if they were one of the ones who hated STID. That comment fits with the personalities Pegg exhibits in his own projects.

A lot of actor are total d-bags and probably think a lot worse of their fans than a simple f-you. Christian Bale is obviously a complete asshole, and the sort of person I wouldn't think twice about avoiding company with, but it didn't stop me from enjoying the Batman films he was in and contributing a modicum of finances to his job security (as it were) by purchasing tickets to those films. Mel Gibson, Alec Baldwin, and plenty of others seem like really, really horrible people, but it doesn't stop too many people from viewing projects they are involved in.

This Pegg stuff is such a minor thing.

CP3S said:

That is a good point too. Actors don't get "salaries" from films.

I am not sure what point was made, as I have Bingo blocked.   But um . . .  yeah Actors do get their salaries from films.   No film, no money for actior, it is that simple.

CP3S said:

Also I should add that anyone who is an actual fan of Simon Pegg isn't likely to be bothered by his "fuck you" comments,

not sure of that. 

CP3S said:

even if they were one of the ones who hated STID. That comment fits with the personalities Pegg exhibits in his own projects.

A lot of actor are total d-bags and probably think a lot worse of their fans than a simple f-you. Christian Bale is obviously a complete asshole, and the sort of person I wouldn't think twice about avoiding company with, but it didn't stop me from enjoying the Batman films he was in and contributing a modicum of finances to his job security (as it were) by purchasing tickets to those films. Mel Gibson, Alec Baldwin, and plenty of others seem like really, really horrible people, but it doesn't stop too many people from viewing projects they are involved in.

This Pegg stuff is such a minor thing.

it is minor thing,  but I still think it was wrong of him to do that, just because the people that paid to see his movie didn't like it. 

CP3S said:

Old ST fans who are more likely to have hated STID are not going to be the ones throwing money at J.J. Trek products and ticket sales.

maybe not, but if not for them, there would be no Trek today.   Old ST fans kept Trek alive between the end TOS and the first movie.   Without them, Trek would have been a long forgotten and J.J.  would have nothing to remake.

CP3S said:

I was going to go see this turkey of a film, but since Simon Pegg is an ass there is no chance in hell I'm giving any of my money to him. 

again this idea that I was arguing that we should withhold money from Star Trek due to Pegg's comments.  That is not what I arguing at all.   I am merely arguing that Pegg should treat the people that actually pay him with more respect.   When I pay the amount it costs for ticket today,  I have every right to sound off if I don't like the movie I watched.   

Warbler said:

CP3S said:

Old ST fans who are more likely to have hated STID are not going to be the ones throwing money at J.J. Trek products and ticket sales.

maybe not, but if not for them, there would be no Trek today.   Old ST fans kept Trek alive between the end TOS and the first movie.   Without them, Trek would have been a long forgotten and J.J.  would have nothing to remake.

That is part of what sucks so much about J.J. Trek. Fans kept it alive all these years so it could go on to become a crappy series of summer actions movies that they hate.

Old ST fans aren't necessarily going to hate J.J. Trek. While I'm by no means even remotely old, the only ST I really like is TOS (which I love), and I watched long before J.J. Trek. And I love J.J. Trek, his are easily some of the best Trek movies there are, in my opinion.

Paramount pays his salary. With money from completely different, other movies and CHEERS reruns. So Pegg should really pay proper respect to everything ever. But really, who gives a fiddler's fuck.

The fiddler's wife or girlfriend, I'm guessing.

Baronlando said:

Paramount pays his salary. With money from completely different, other movies and CHEERS reruns.

true, but they do this in expectation that the movie he is working will make them more money and that money will come from the Trek fans.   No Trek fans, no reason to take money made from other movies and Cheers ruruns to pay Pegg.