zombie84 said:
The 1995 mix has mono elements, while the 1993 DC mix does not, right? Even though its just DC+mono, that still qualifies it as a seperate mix. It's based on the DC mix, but it's not the DC mix.

No - the DC & FACES sound and picture come from the exact same masters, which we now of course know on DVD as the GOUT.

The FACES trilogy is on 6 discs, the DC set is on 9 discs. That's basically it, aside from the DC bonus features that weren't carried over onto the FACES discs, and the Leonard Maltin interviews that were only on the FACES discs.

msycamore said:

zombie84 said:

The 1995 mix has mono elements, while the 1993 DC mix does not, right? Even though its just DC+mono, that still qualifies it as a seperate mix. It's based on the DC mix, but it's not the DC mix.

Sorry, but I honestly don't understand what you mean. The 1993 THX-certified Digitally remastered and remixed audio track that accompanied the Definitive Collection LD set, used elements from the original mono mix as well as entirely new sound-fx, this same mix is the 1995 mix. And this is the same mix that's on the Gout and the one hairy_hen used as a base to do his 70mm recreation. The '93 and '95 audio is not seperate mixes.

 Ah, okay. See, it was my understanding that further mono elements were added to the 1995 mix, beyond what was already added to the 1993 mix. Thanks for the correction!

The 70mm frames are a poor reference since they are taken from very faded 70mm print masters.  Especially Return of the Jedi, most shots are pink.

They must all be from pre LPP Eastman stock.

Sky, aside from ROTJ the prints look pretty pristine - especially Star Wars. If it's true that the walls were all blue-green, we've been screwed over since the very beginning...

The SW 70mm frames are not pink though. The probably have faded a bit, but the source is different. Probably some sort of dupe, which therefore has had less time to fade, while the Jedi frames are based on the original-release master of some kind. Prints fade at different rate depending on how tthey are stored, but SW vs Jedi is pretty extreme difference.

Anyway, yeah, they aren't a pristine reference for colour, but they aren't totally useless either.

Bkev: as far as I can tell, the DS interiors are supposed to be a greenish hue much of the time. How else could you explain a "pristine" print that has totally screwed up wall hues while having normal looking skin tones and white balance? And which also happens to correspond with caps of the Technicolor fade-free print, as well as other sources...

The notion that the DS interiors were always neutral grey appears to be highly erroneous.

My memory from seeing SW in theaters in 1977 was that the interior of the Death Star was blue.

Yeah, it certainly looks blue in some of the I.B. caps. The cellblock control shootout is blue-ish, as are certain shots in the control room, just from the caps. A very deep, saturated blue too, not just from the print tint or camera balance.

I can't believe every home release has been so off! When will we truly get Star Wars the way it was meant to be seen? Actually, I have a question: can anyone remember what the Death Star looked like in '97 in theaters?

They have been off because of the fading and low saturation of home releases. Also the earlier transfers, which would have been the least faded (i.e. 1982-1985) were very poor and had their own tinting, aside from Laserdisc being unable to display the full colour information and subject to its own custom colour correction.

If you jack up the GOUT colours to the I.B. colour levels you see the DS walls become pink. Which means there is colour in them, that seemed grey because it was so washed out. If you then shift the pink out until the rest of the image looks normal, much of the time you end up with blue and green walls. Either this is how it was photographed, regardless of the actual paint pigment, or this is how it was colour-timed to get correct skintones. But in either case it looks like a coloured DS was normal for most, but not necessarily all, of the shots, to varying degrees of intensity. My two cents.

Regarding the text on this page:
http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/savingstarwars.html

Laserdisc is spelled with a 'c', not a 'k'. (I've also seen it spelled with the 'd' capitalized, for example in Pioneer's LaserDisc logo.)

A disc, or disk, is a flat, thin, round object. Generally speaking, the US spelling is disk and the British spelling is disc, although there is much overlap and variation between the two. In particular the spelling for senses relating to magnetic storage is nearly always disk, as in floppy disk (diskette), hard disk drive, but the other form is used for optical media thus: compact disc, Blu-ray Disc, etc.

bkev said:

I can't believe every home release has been so off! When will we truly get Star Wars the way it was meant to be seen? Actually, I have a question: can anyone remember what the Death Star looked like in '97 in theaters?

From what I remember it did look like the Senator print for the most part. Not exactly the same, but very close. Save for the 81 crawl isn't this print identical to Lucas's that was used for the 97SE of SW?

Saw the links to my 2004 Changes "Preservation", but I was not the one who saved them all and wrote down all the subtitles. Someone uploaded them to the forum, I just can't recall who...

Also, same section, in 2004 they made Slave 1 sound like it does in the Prequels.

Disc vs Disk:

http://support.apple.com/kb/ht2300

Maybe not the most definative of sources, but apple.com pretty much jives with my understanding of Disc vs Disk(ette).  It does seem that it boils down to whether it is magnetic or optical, or whether it's sealed in a case of some kind or if it's just the round bit.

And now back to your regularly scheduled program.

Your new site should have a new new roleplaying board.

*snicker*

skyjedi2005 said:

The 70mm frames are a poor reference since they are taken from very faded 70mm print masters.  Especially Return of the Jedi, most shots are pink.

They must all be from pre LPP Eastman stock.

Only my ROTJ cels are fading- the SW and ESB cels still look great. The ROTJ cels are on a different stock than the other 2.

xhonzi said:

Your new site should have a new new roleplaying board.

I approve of this message.

I'd like to point out that I really dig the layout. The original one-sheet works perfectly for your site. I also think the placement of the portion of the one-sheet you chose - X-Wings en masse - works very well with the whole idea of Saving Star Wars.

I made a few small changes that I thought would sort of grab the reader\passer-by with regards to your already well done layout. I saturated the color of your graphic and altered the text a touch to make it jump out a little more. I also moved the paragraph headers to left justified. Just an idea. I know you're still very early in the process.

Thanks for the feedback guys. Anchorhead, looks good, might try it out. What font is on the title there?

For now though I need a bit of fact-checking here since this one is basically a history of OT.com.

http://savestarwars.com/fanpreservations.html

I'm sure there's misreported info in there, was a lot of stuff to touch upon and juggle; the page is also still unfinished. Also, Dark_Jedi's new release I have not yet seen, but I felt confident enough to include it; I'll make any needed modifications upon release.

I also put up another editorial (http://savestarwars.com/dontrocktheboat.html) Again, it's not the final form, and I need to confirm a couple things, but you can see where I am going. Feel free to comment.

Keep up the great job on the site zombie, I like it very much so far, kind of like a good sister-site to your Secret history of SW. Your short but sweet Don't rock the boat article is also well written, it's very sad but true, love the ending paragraph of it.

Zombie, good stuff, once again. I'm glad to hear you asking the X0 team to release some rough captures.

He's always been. The impression I get is that he's basically like one of the guys from TFN, whos world would shatter if Lucas was shown to be less than a god. Steve Sansweet has his head so far up George Lucas' ass he could probably see Rick McCallum's feet.