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24-Feb-2010, 10:08 AM

 

Care to ellaborate in an uncomplicated way?

This will sound rude, but ce la vie. I don't think I can do that. Unfortunately if you've followed the other project (tBSWM) i try repeatedly to figure out a simple way to explain the ideas but it just doesn't seem to happen. I tried to make it simple, I posted one sentence which I thought condensed what this project was going to be. Your first statement showed an interest but you were confused. I did have the website link which had further explanation, and links to other documents which are the part of the process of this project. Sorry folks but it's going to take some reading, i don't know how to explain it any other way. So with that i'll explain a part of the process.



Process Explanation 1: From Script to Clip

In this case, let's start with the Star Wars script and a quote we're all familiar with:
http://starwarz.com/starkiller/scripts/thestarwars_revised_fourth_draft_jan.htm

DODONNA
Man your ships! And may the Force be with you!


The 'May the Force Be With You' quote is common place now. What we'll do in this project is attempt to show not only where it came from (inspirations) but how it's been incorporated into society (reference). So Task One is to find mentions of these inspirations and references. There have been websites, books, articles which discuss these. I've been pulling them together tp make a database of these ideas. (That's the :F:L:I:M:S:I:P:L:A:S:T: :D:A:T:A:B:A:S:E:)

So for the quote 'May the Force Be With You' where did it come from? There are guesses out there, one of them is from the experimental film by Arthur Lipsett called 21-87. In that film is the quote:

"Many people feel that in the contemplation of nature and communication with other living things, that they become aware of some kind of...ah... force or something behind this apparent mask. Which we see in front of us." (i've found this film and the quote takes place at ~03:30)

George Lucas has mentioned seeing this film and the title is also the inspiration for Princess Leia's holding cell number.

Now for the MTFBWY references. These are easier, since Star Wars has had such a huge impact on culture. Again online culture has made finding these pieces of information possible. Early on Star Wars fan websites began collecting the references people saw in television and movies. The major contributor was L. Mangue's Nerfherder Anonymous website. Where people sent in things they found and she added them to her webpages. The idea is to search through a website or page for a certain idea. So with search engine help like so:

site:www.nerf-herders-anonymous.net "may the force be with you"

That will bring up all the pages which have that quote. One example is:

http://www.nerf-herders-anonymous.net/TVKR.html

This is a page for Television References Letters K - R. If you then search the actual page for that quote, you'll see that people have said they've heard that quote in episodes of 'Life on Mars', 'Men Behaving Badly', 'The O.C.' & 'Only Fools and Horses'. (and with closer examination, there's also a 'May the Pork be with you')

So the next task is to figure out where in the episode those phrases actually happen, time code. That means viewing the program. Another way is to find an online subtitle or transcript and find the quote that way. Eventually though the episode will be found and that clip will be pulled out.

Then with the inspiration and reference for the General Dodonna quote, the final presentation will use the clips for (inspiration) 21-87 and (references) 'Life on Mars', 'Men Behaving Badly', 'The O.C.', 'Only Fools and Horses', etc.

The End Goal is to see how much of the movie can be found and replaced with Inspirations and References.

I'll explain more of the processes i've been going through to find inspirations and references. But please feel free to suggest some or ideas of places to look to find more. The :F:L:I:M:S:I:P:L:A:S:T: :D:A:T:A:B:A:S:E: is the 'known' quantity at this time. The ones with timecode have been found and nailed down, the others are TBD.

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Here's an example of how one type of search can be expanded into finding more material. As mentioned above, the quote 'May the Force be with you' can be parodied or changed by replacing 'force' with something else. On the Nerfherder Anonymous site there was a 'Pork' one.

So how do you find more of these type of Modified References?

Just realized that IMDb.com has a Quote data/search. but using the IMDb search won't allow me to do partial search. So with google, I can search:

site:imdb.com "may the" +"be with you"

And now I've got a bunch of pages to comb through. (14,400) Lots of these tend to be episode titles, i've found that that is a common occurance. The writers parody the episode title but don't have any SW reference in the actual episode. But right now just looking around for searchable ideas.

But the key is IMDb.com uses certain phrases on every page. In this case the 'Quote' page for every television program or movie starts with the phrase "Memorable quotes" So with the new search:

site:imdb.com "may the" +"be with you" +"memorable quotes"

I've dropped the returns to 5,550 which is much easier to wade through.  In this case Google stopped at page 12, when it says it's removed repeated items. With these big sites there tend to be high volume of duplicates.  In all, there might have been maybe 30-40 actual items.  about 5-8 new ones which I didn't already know about.

Can also then sort these returns by date to see what's new, if I repeat this same search a year or two later. Have done this with tv.com where i throw the phrase "star wars" into their database and see what returns, since people are constantly adding new references to their pages.

Have attempted to learn data scraping but wasn't able to learn the software. Anyone out there know website data scraping?