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Yeah the only DVD of the theatrical cut is pretty ugly and I find the extended version to be a let down.

There is another thread here somewhere about a theatrical cut preservation though.

I thought there was a thread for this, I got the HD TV and spent days re timing the film but only needed the audio.....

For one the TC scenes will not match the BD as the cclour will be miles off 

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Robin-Hood-Prince-of-Thieves-Theatrical-Cut/topic/15425/

I wasn't aware there was an HDTV version of the Theatrical Cut.  If so, what's wrong with it that it needs work?  (And where can I find it?)

Edit: Never mind.  Crap colors and no English audio would be plenty wrong.

I'm curious if this project is going on... and about HDTV properties (resolution, fps, codec, mbps) - is its video (apart color grading) equal or better than BD?

Could have been worst! At the end, what do you think about its video quality? I mean, it seems the BD has some EE, what about the HDTV?

I'm really starting to think to spoRvify this movie! (^^,)

Here you are an interesting comparison between LD, DVD and BD... I should add the HDTV has the same color grading of DVD.

I don't like BD colors, and I prefer LD, but I don't dislike DVD (HDTV) color grading, because it's near to LD than BD; neverthless, I think applying LD colors over HDTV will be the best solutions.

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On audio side: the italian extended cut DVD and BD have a new dubbing... it's widely recognized that the original dubbing (of the theatrical cut) is better than this... another reason to do a preservation, from my POV.

It has that nasty pink 90s tinge all transfers had

dvdmike said:

It has that nasty pink 90s tinge all transfers had

...but what version do you think is closest to theatrical color timing? And which do you prefer?

The BD is not far off for colour, but it was super dark theatrically think the new Last of the Mohicans BD so maybe the LD is closer.

I tried it here with mine:

HDTV

Mine

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Robin-Hood-Prince-of-Thieves-Theatrical-Cut/post/636476/#TopicPost636476

Could you explaind better what "mine" is? Is an attempt to use LD as color reference, and apply it to BD? And what process have you used?

Sorry for all these questions, but I'm curious...

I did it by hand no colour like just got rid of the pink and brought back the greens and the colour to the image.

I then knocked down the contrast and brightness to try and replicate the theatrical viewing experience that I and others (http://siskelandebert.org/video/8K1BRWM27OSB/Robin-Hood-Prince-of-Thieves-amp-Santa-Sangre-Holy-Blood) had 

I could agree that your manual correction is good enough, as the HDTV image here is a bit cold, and I agree about contrast and brightness levels; but it could not qualify as restoration, but only as fanedit... don't get me wrong, I admire your efforts here and in several other threads (like Robocop)... but it seems that a *proper* fan restoration (as proper could be a fan restoration, by the way...) should take a reference when trying to do a color correction.

I mean, maybe the laserdisc colors are not the same of what we all saw in the theaters, but at least it could be called *a* reference; do you agree? I'm curious myself to see if, using HDTV luma and LD chroma results will be similar to what you have done.

I was tempted myself to use a color grading for "The Matrix" not entirely based on DVD as reference, but I decided to stick with DVD as color reference; now the BD has colors really really close to DVD and, even if I personally prefer my previous settings in some instances, I think the whole color grading should be mantained as closely to the reference as possible (even if I know it's cleary impossible).

This is, of course, only my personal opinion - I'm still trying to find a clear definition of what a fan edit, restoration, preservation are, and nothing seems to be "written in the stone" (^^,) and you deserve the right to make your own color correction, but I strongly advice to NOT use your german HDTV capture...

The 1080i english HDTV is way better than the 720p german; take a look at these screenshots:

german 720p (yours, as you posted, untouched)

1080i english (VLC -> MSPaint -> resize 50% -> resize 73%, to match your picture)

the 1080i have more details, is less cropped, and colors are slightly different... it's AR is around 1.80:1, while the BD is 16:9 (1.77777...:1), so is closer to the theatrical AR of 1.85:1 (not so much, indeed...)

I am not sure what point you are making exactly, there may be more than one. 

Mine was abandoned long ago due to lack of interest from  those who requested it, and you are assuming using colour like from an LD qualifies as some sort of a restoration.

This assuming the LD is correct and letting a machine do the whole movie is the way to go, I personally think the colour space of LD makes that method moot personally.

I  am not by posting pics saying mine was better you asked how I would do it and I showed you what I think the colours should be, that has nothing to do with the resolution of yhe file.

I am after that post staying away from the project

Sorry, I didn't want to offend you; I only pointed out that the laserdisc is *a* reference, and NOT *the* reference; I mean, as I wrote in my post, that is better (IMHO) to stick with a reference (even if not for sure the right one) instead of making a color correction "by eye", that's it. If it seemed I was rough, I apologize, it was not my intention, I repeat, I like your threads and I think you are a smart person, so sorry again.

About laserdisc as color reference, I agree with you, it's not the best source that could be used as reference for an HD project, but at least it's better than VHS, and a PAL 1.85 laserdisc still got around 416x160/200 pixel chroma resolution Vs 208x360 pixel chroma resolution of a PAL 1.85:1 letterbox DVD, so it has almost the same chroma resolution.

At the end, the whole discussion could be summed up in: it will be a wise choice to use the 1080ì HDTV as luma reference, and LD as chroma reference, to make a restoration project of the theatrical cut of Robin Hood, or it's better to use the BD, cut out the scenes not belonging to the theatical cut, and use the HDTV to restore the missing scenes not found on the extended cut BD? And, if the latter is the best choice, how to restore color grading in the HDTV to match the BD one?