CompMovieGuy: The phrase "diminishing returns" does not mean diminishing quality.  It just means you are spending more and gaining less.

While it may improve the quality slightly by doing more passes, there is just a point where the improvements per pass are next to nothing.

I would not bother with more than 3-4 unless you are using a particularly low bitrate or trying to squeeze a lot onto one disc.

Frankly, I'm a fan of the one-pass vbr with prediction since your quantization is constant... but that's another conversation.

And with that I give you the BETA copy (2 pass CCE 6250 VBR bitrate) of Rad w/ delogo applied
I might still do some tweaking, maybe try to see if there is anyway I can get the delogo to be a bit better but all in all, Im quite pleased with the results

Sorry for all the pics but I wanted you guys to see an array of shots including the one scene where delogo was not applied, it only stays on the screen for about 15 secs so its not too distracting, feel free to comment and/or judge on pros and cons from the clips
Also big thanks to Moth3r for all his help, without such this would not be possible

The logo remover worked really well.Shame INHD had to do that big blob ( blue logo )

Looking really good CMG, really good.Cant wait to see the final result.

About the new trailer.How did you go about doing that?

Are you using the same menus or making new ones?

Im looking into what I can do to make the delogo work better (reading forums and seeing what I can pick up, if anything, talking to Moth3r, ect)

Im not looking to rush things, but I will say Im looking to get this done sooner than later, since my HDDs are overflowing since Ive put everything else on hold while Ive been working on this one

As for the new TriStar trailer, I basically found a site that told me which time period used this particular trailer, I then went to IMDB and looked at all the movies TriStar made during this period, and found a few movies I had, although some of them (Rambo, Monster Squad ect) couldnt be used since they used a different Aspect Ratios. But I had a couple that used 1.78~1.85 AR, so I took the best looking one (which only had 2.0) demuxed it out, cropped it slightly so its exactly 16x9 like Rad is, and mux it with another TriStar trailers 5.1 sound, so it would match the movies 5.1 (also I researched whether the TriStar trailer had sound or not on the VHS and LaserDisc and I found out both had the background sound, while the 1080i TS doesnt have sound during the trailer....so I decided to use sound during the TriStar trailer because the official releases did)

As for menus, it is still to be decided yet, right now my focus is getting the main movie just right, but if I can strip the menus out and stick them in with this encode (which I think I can do) Ill probably end up doing that, cause I suck with PhotoShop, but Im still leaving this open for now

One more thought.  IIRC you intend to release this as a DVD9.  You should see if encoding with one-pass variable with a q of 1 looks good to you.

It's pretty much the best picture you can get if bitrate isn't an issue.  Your output should be virtually indistinguishable from the source.

I think im just going to release a DVD5 of this, since I wouldnt even be able to take full advantage of the DVD space because of the DVD players bitrate cap. Even at DVD5 level the video bitrate is goign to be 6.25 MB/s which is about half the original bitrate and 2 MB/s higher than official DVD5 releases....half the original resolution @ half the original bitrate isnt bad

As for the encoding, I might do a trial run and see how those settings looks maybe when Im tweaking stuff but in the end, Ill still probably end up doing multi passes

Bring it on already,can't wait to see this.

Some trail run encodes have brought up some problems which are being addressed at this time, but first heres whats been accomplished

Frame accurate appearing and leaving of the "blue blob" INHD logo, it wont be on the screen anymore than necessary/ naturally leaving
TriStar trailer added
Audio syncing has been fixed and is perfect

Now with the bad
Unfortunately, this movie (after encoding) is showing signs of different telecine patterns. Which is resulting in most of the movie playing very nice, but in certain parts, it plays noticeably bad.
What does this mean?
In short.....more time :(
We're evaluation the best possible route to go with this, and while the result might not be what I was hoping for initially, it should still be an upgrade to what is currently out

A DVD WILL BE MADE

*update*

Still trying the best method to figure out for these patterns.
I found an acceptable way that handles the patterns better than the previous way.
I also did a 1 pass VBR encode at a Q of 1 (for those who were wondering) with the min set at 3k and max at 9k and the size was 5.3GBs
So Im just doing a multi pass VBR @ DVD5 level

Right now all signs are looking good to having this done real soon, Im trying some other techniques for the pattern and by the end of those tests I will be set to do the final encode (possible tweaking to the logo removal in the process), mux the audio (which syncs up fine), and then focus on the menu (which I will probably import from the other DVD unless someone wants to help out with their PS skills)

Send me a PM if youre interested in helping with the menus

You probably could have set your minimum bitrate much lower to save space.  3k seems awfully high.

What is your deinterlace method?  Is the telecine pattern changing?  What software?

mispost

*update*

Did my last full encode before my final encode.
Everything for the movie part is for all purposes finished, maybe tweak 1 thing but it not a big deal
Did a 2 pass CCE VBR @ 6225 avg bitrate, final size is 4469MBs leaving roughly 11MBs for menus
The TriStar trailer has been added on and the sound is all synced up for everything.
The film jumps during the bike boogie scene have been significantly reduced but not completely removed.
There is a small flicker in the 2 in the delogo of INHD2, this is the one thing Im still looking into.
I matched the VOBs with the old menus from Starkillers DVD and everything worked, those menus are roughly 6MBs big.

So unless I decide to do new menus (which is being discussed), everything now should be done in a minimal amount of time. Next *update* Ill post some screens of the finished product (but probably not menus if its decided to make new ones)

So you still have IVTC problems?

There are several people knowledgeable about these things on the forum, and your problems could likely be solved if you gave some specific info or a small clip of the problematic part.

No, the IVTC issues have been resolved so no worries about that anymore :)

*update*

I know that I said with this update I was give some samples/screens but I have held off on the final encode until Ive decide what to do about extas and menus(the final script is done, as in Im not touching it anymore) deciding whether to reuse the old ones or start from scratch. But heres a treat for you guys, something I have been working on.....took quite a bit of time to get everything right and sync'd up and audio cleaned up.... let me know what you think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTWRSaHXJGs
(dont forget to press the HQ button!)

Ive been working on the existing cover art, right now I have two designs going, but theyre not completely done yet but the backs will certainly be better than the original

CompMovieGuy said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTWRSaHXJGs
(dont forget to press the HQ button!)

I can't see the HQ button?

CompMovieGuy said:

*update*

I know that I said with this update I was give some samples/screens but I have held off on the final encode until Ive decide what to do about extas and menus(the final script is done, as in Im not touching it anymore) deciding whether to reuse the one ones or start from scratch. But heres a treat for you guys, something I have been working on.....took quite a bit of time to get everything right and sync'd up and audio cleaned up.... let me know what you think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTWRSaHXJGs
(dont forget to press the HQ button!)

Ive been working on the existing cover art, right now I have two designs going, but theyre not completely done yet but the backs will certainly be better than the original

 Good looking trailer, my man!  That took me back to the day.

Thanks guys

That trailer WASNT final, since I put it up Ive made some changes, mostly just sync'ing up some parts that I saw were alittle off (non talk parts). Not a drastic difference but just getting it right

I reused the VHS source of the end of the trailer, Im sure you noticed the drop in quality. I dont have the patience or skills to try to re-create it from scratch

Also Moth the HQ button should be on the lower right corner of the youtube player

I hoped you guys liked it, maybe alittle more tweaking to it but as you can see its pretty good as is

Hopefully, Ill have all the stuff I need for the menus soon and I can finally throw it all together and be done with it

OK, well guys the DVD is done....I just used the animated menus from the old DVD and imported the new movie

4475 MBs
10 pass CCE, 6210 VBR
New tristar trialer, logo removed decently, correct IVTC

All buttons and chapter points work on the menus imported

I might consider using the same menu and making an easter egg to the Rad trailer but right now the movie along with the menu is pretty perfect

Sorry I wasnt able to get a better menu going.

What I pictured in my head was so much easier than it was turning out to be.I just didn't like the end result and knowing what quality this newer version was going to be like, it just wouldn't have looked good.

So whats the 'release' date on this bad boy !

CMG, you have a copy of the DVD that The Starkiller made? Can you post example screenshots and/or clips that demonstrate the improvement when using a correct IVTC over a generic deinterlacer?