Asaki said:

Also, speaking of the 35mm...I was wondering about something we were talking about on the blog before, and if the film (PSB) really is supposed to be that blue, or if it was to compensate for  the yellow of the bulbs they used back then (like how most of the Star Wars print they have is blue). I noticed a lot of the bonus trailer was very blue also, like a lot of shots from ANH that aren't usually tinted like that.

I didn't do much of anything to try and clean up the bonus.  The colors seemed really inconsistent - fixing one snippet would throw something else out of whack.  So I pretty much left it alone.  Overall it's too purple, I think (usually).

Hard to say on the blue-ness of Hoth.  After Ady's color correction it looks pretty much how it does when projected.  But I'm not as discerning when it comes to color balance - which is why I didn't try and do it myself.

Harmy said:

I wasn't implying that there's anything wrong with the DVD, Puggo.

I know you didn't.  Just thought people might be curious on the bitrate.  I think PG was 4500 average.  With the added soundtrack in PSB, I needed the extra space, and at 4275 for the movie (and lower for the extras) everything just fit.

Just checked in at MS and looky looky, it's PSB! Congrats on finishing another fun project. :)

Just FYI, I got the sha1 hashes for the proper DVD files of PSB and compared them to the old ZIP torrent and they all match, so it seems to have extracted properly :-)

Asaki said:

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Maybe someday, but I was assuming the other projects (such as ROTP) would have higher precedence.

 

But then, like -1 said, there's a lot of parts later that look more natural. I don't have as much of the 35mm to compare to as he does...

you can do some quick checks

with the emporer pictures:

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Colortiming-Cinematography-was-What-changes-was-done-to-STAR-WARS-in-93/post/590630/#TopicPost590630

or the ice creature ones:

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Colortiming-Cinematography-was-What-changes-was-done-to-STAR-WARS-in-93/post/591416/#TopicPost591416

later

-1

Better quality than I expected.

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Asaki said:

Also, speaking of the 35mm...I was wondering about something we were talking about on the blog before, and if the film (PSB) really is supposed to be that blue, or if it was to compensate for  the yellow of the bulbs they used back then (like how most of the Star Wars print they have is blue). I noticed a lot of the bonus trailer was very blue also, like a lot of shots from ANH that aren't usually tinted like that.

I didn't do much of anything to try and clean up the bonus.  The colors seemed really inconsistent - fixing one snippet would throw something else out of whack.  So I pretty much left it alone.  Overall it's too purple, I think (usually).

Hard to say on the blue-ness of Hoth.  After Ady's color correction it looks pretty much how it does when projected.  But I'm not as discerning when it comes to color balance - which is why I didn't try and do it myself.

The Hoth scenes actually looked right to me for the first time in a long time. White snow with hints of blue, and not the large blue coloring we are used to until the "night" scenes in the heavy snow conditions.

The bonus does appear to be a bit shifted, and I agree that it primarily looks to be a bit purplish.

It's a bit of a paradox how Puggo managed to misplace some of his backup discs of this even though he was so careful.

Ain't that teh truth.

Harmy said:

It's a bit of a paradox how Puggo managed to misplace some of his backup discs of this even though he was so careful.

Thanks very much, Harmy! I'm looking forward to giving this a spin next week.

So, all these soundtrack revelations, aren't they the same as the differences on the Puggo Edition ESB (8 mm)?

Lando walking down the hallway.  His line: "So you see..." is clearly audible in the mono, not in the stereo (although it is there, faintly).

TServo2049 said:

I've never had a bad burn on this drive that I can remember; is anybody else having a problem, or is it maybe something on my end?

I did get the usenet version and no such problem on my end, I also used ImgBurn.

Huge thank you Puggo for your great work on this and to rsortor and Jaxxon for providing their prints! A real delight to watch, the only negative about it I can think about is the blown out highlights, but I guess that was something that couldn't be recovered, I recall it was discussed early on in the project if some of that detail could be salvaged, and it's not that bad.

There's also a few sequences on Hoth and Dagobah were there's a monotone blue palette where it appears to lack a bigger range of colors, which is most likely a problem with the source as well. Otherwise I thought the colors were exceptional, loved seeing the warm hues inside Yoda's hut and the warm hues in the Cloud City hallway that was altered in the THX/GOUT transfer.

As already pointed out, there's a ton of differences in this mono audio mix, in everything from additional lines of dialogue, different takes, mixing levels, score and added reverb/echo on some dialogue etc. Wonder if this still is a fold-down of a different stereo mix, it was clearly done at a much later stage in the films release and you really have to wonder if this was an additional theatrical mix done for foreign markets or a re-release? One things for sure, lots of work went into it. It will be interesting to hear what the audio is on the other print.

Thank you Puggo!! :)

Trooperman said:

Lando walking down the hallway.  His line: "So you see..." is clearly audible in the mono, not in the stereo (although it is there, faintly).

^ Some reverb seems to have been added to their voices in that sequence as well, listen to Lando's voice when they're about to walk around the corner in the hallway down the stairs. Some added Chewbacca vocalization short after that, heard over the shot when Boba Fett makes his entrance after Vader's "We would be honored if you would join us."

msycamore said:

...the only negative about it I can think about is the blown out highlights, but I guess that was something that couldn't be recovered...

 After watching Puggo Grande, the blow-outs in PSB look much better than I was expecting. Most of the stuff that is in there is also like that in the 2004 and the GOUT, so it's not really that bad at all when you think about it.

Yeah there is blown-out stuff on both ends (whites and blacks).  That's just the way it is - it's a primitive process.

Found a mid-reel splice, with two GOUT frames absent:



Also four frames missing from the head of the second reel, the pterodactyl shot (GOUT 59569-572.) That's not so surprising I guess.
Otherwise seems to align with GOUT quite well.

I must confess I haven't even listened to the alternate audio yet...

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Yeah there is blown-out stuff on both ends (whites and blacks).  That's just the way it is - it's a primitive process.

Like I said, it's not that bad and it still destroy any official version out there, love it! :)

When I get the time I'll post examples where both your transfer and even my LD is more detailed than the 2004 transfer. Even the motion smeared '97 SE looks better in some instances, that's really how bad the situation is. The Lowry process ate up tons of detail, so if everything goes well with the project of -1 & company, some people will be surprised by how much detail that was lost in those hideous transfers.