negative1 said:

the upscaling is being worked on too, and its making progress also..

 

you really need to see the video to get the full

impact...

 

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 on a slightly related note, there is more work being done on the upscaling,

check out the progress with shots, here:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Any-Suggestions-for-Better-Uprez-to-HD/topic/8971/

**NOTE : by the way, the whole GOUT chain and links are always in my signature..

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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

The film is scope, and all I did for the sample I posted was tell Vegas to change the aspect ratio.  After I do the real capture, I'm going to need some advice as to the best way to convert 4:3 scope into actual anamorphic.

Out of interest, what does a frame from the raw capture look like? Are there no black bars at all (i.e. the actual capture is "more" anamorphic than 16:9)?

Either way, I can't see that the resizing is going to cause you any problems.

As for the speed, all I did was guestimate the fps and do a crude pulldown, then synched the audio as best as I could.  There shouldn't be pitch shifting, because wherever I had to stretch or shrink the audio, I had the editor retain the pitch (that more often causes artifacts, but I didn't notice any here). When I do the final capture, I'll use the existing mono mix as reference.  Is it pitch-accurate?

Yes, the mono mix is pitch accurate to NTSC-film speed (23.976 fps as opposed to 24 fps, but close enough).

Further analysis of the sample, while you're waiting for the gate mods:

As someone has already mentioned, there is a jump during the starfield pan-down after the crawl. Is this a section of missing film or a capture error?

I also noticed the blockade runner flying backwards for one frame!

Regarding what I said before about lowering the black level, it seems it's not as easy as a simple brightness adjustment. If you set it correctly for one scene, then compare other parts of the sample using this setting, frames with a high average luma level can still be too bright whereas darker sections actually end up with crunched blacks.

(I will get around to posting screenshots at some point...)

Obviously you won't want to go through the whole movie and adjust brightness and contrast on a scene-by-scene basis.  I'm wondering if our resident AviSynth scripting guru (g-force, you reading this?) could come up with something?

Where can I download/watch the sample clip you made?

I've been to your site, and haven't see it...and I can't download the audio clip either. Me soo sad :(

excellent news..

glad to hear this is going forward.... i hope the new equipment works out ..

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Puggo: I noticed this thread on Doom9 and thought you might find it interesting.

WOW! great news for the new year..

will be keep track of this closely...

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sounds way cool. thanks for the update puggo!! :)

Example of what Avisynth can do to restore 8mm film:
http://www.vimeo.com/2823934

That really is not suprising seeing how it was shot on kodachrome and not eastman safety pre lpp which is the worst.

Kodachrome: A reversal (direct positive) process. 1936 to present. Never used for 35mm movies, only 16mm and 8mm. Virtually fade proof. Most commonly used for amateur films for direct projection. I haven't seen any release prints made on Kodachrome since the 1970’s. Identified by being completely black around the perforations, with white (or similar light color) markings. Print stock comes in 2 types, ordinary Kodachrome, marked "Kodachrome Safety", which has a brownish (sulfite) soundtrack, and "Eastman Rev Color Safety Film", which has a grey silver soundtrack, similar to Technicolor. Kodachrome is high in contrast, and the contrast increases in printing, causing the shadows to be quite dark.  For longevity of color, this is the next best thing to Technicolor.  There are reports of the first production of Kodachrome having fading problems, but this was fixed around 1938.

Found this on some film site.

Not sure if avisynth can restore those old 8mm star wars films, when the color on almost every one has red shift, and starting to look pinkish.  Some supposedly had more stable color than others, only if kept in a cool and dry environment.  Almost none of them sold on ebay were stored properly.

On the 8mm film forum someone claimed that the Ken Films Part 2 of Star Wars he had was non faded, but seeing as he converted his refrigerator/freezer to store the film using dissicant gel packs to avoid moisture ruining the film inside its container.  If that film was stored in someones garage for twenty years and not stored properly you would definitely see red shift.  Since he bought it from derran film services they properly store the films they sell.  And accordingly i don't know if this is true but the 4 reel Derann Print of Star Wars was printed on polyester film.  Supposedly unfaded though i never have personally seen a print of this fine 8mm scope version of the film.

If anybody ever wants to do transfers of the trailers the 16mm and 8mm variants being more rare and hard to come by now than the 35mm, it is hard to find them not severly faded.  The only trailer i ever saw for star wars that was unfaded was the 1976 teaser, and it was the rare printed I.B. Technicolor.   All the eastman prints from the national screen service are severly faded.  I kid you knot, a guy is selling a 35mm nss copy now for 250 dollars and it has red shift,lol.  The only thing is unlike most it has no scratches or projector weave.  Because it probably was never used even though the roll was opened.  Maybe used only once.

The 2 trailers i own, i have not checked in a while but empire strikes back 1982 re-release trailer i have had severe red shift and only 60% of its color left.  Still kinda cool though it has a clip of luke and vaders duel in cloud city.

The Return of the Jedi Trailer from 1983 i own leads me to believe it is LPP without looking at its markings because it is unfaded and only has minor scratches.  I can't find star wars or empire strikes back trailers that are not severly faded.  Has anyone on these boards ever come across any?

The trailer i wish i owned was the revenge of the jedi scope teaser trailer that has luke with the blue saber on the skiff above the pitt of carkoon, and like a few frames of the sandstorm deleted scene.

Moth3r said:

Example of what Avisynth can do to restore 8mm film:
http://www.vimeo.com/2823934

Wow, that IS nice.  I wonder how the 8mm Puggo edition would look that way?  Or was it already restored in such a way before it was released?

I saw the link on the Doom9 forum; more details, and the script he used, can be found here:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=144271

I went back and watched the video sample from before and i love it.  I can't wait to see this!

And that sample was before any cleaning or a new gate to capture the full anamorphic image.

Cannot wait to see the real star wars crawl from 1977 in good quality, and not a digital recreation.   People are still split on whether the gout was the real thing as seen in empire of dreams, though there has been no consensus on that.  Also the mono mix from a better source than the tv broadcast, is also much appreciated and welcomed.

One of the major things about this project and why it is so awesome is because it will be much better than the non anamorphic widescreen 1977 xvid moth3r posted years ago.  And like the zoomed in on the center frame pan and scan 77 fan dvd will have the mono mix, just not the low crap bitrate.

The first time i heard the mono mix was in a fan made dvd from Moth3r pal project.  The only other dvd i have with the mono mix is star wars by editdroid.  Nobody has ever put out a disc authored with the belbecus restored mono mix, because it now falls under this sites updated rules that it has to be a fanedit or a preservation of a vhs or laserdisc for the video.  And everybody wants to use the gout as their videotrack so they go to the help section of the site and make their own dvd.

WOW! This is incredible. Man!

I have been so far out of Star Wars edits for so long this is sort of fun reading this stuff.