Screen captures from the 1992 Special Letterbox Collector's Edition VHSes:

Ep IV: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Smear-free-93/post/481961/#TopicPost481961

Ep V:

^ Somewhere between that last shot and this one, there was a bit of a drop in quality. It's getting harder to seperate the edges of the picture from the "black bars". Seems like this quality loss persists through the rest of the movie (and gets slightly worse).

Ep VI:

^ Example of framing and subs. The quality is a bit worse than ESB had been getting.

^ The quality improves! I can find the borders again!

Nice job!

Since skyjedi mentioned it in this thread (as well as the other one), I'll go ahead and answer here. The Technidisc LD pressing ROTJ is also framed just like Asaki's screencap, and just like earlier SWE pressings, with a larger black bar on bottom where Japanese subtitles would have been. Also, it's side 3 is CAV just like earlier SWE pressings. So I file it in the 'not very interesting' category. Probably from the same D1/D2 master tape as Pioneer & Mitsubishi pressings.

Following Asaki's lead, I'll try and grab some screens from it to show framing.
And I'll get those mint markings for anyone interested like I promised earlier in this thread.

On Saturday I installed a different capture card.
It's nearly the same model (different revision level) and using the same device drivers.


Just like the other card, I'm not sure whether the right edge is getting cropped. :(

Sunday I cobbled together a Win98 box from old parts lying about
because I want to try the BT8x8 tweaker program in VirtualDub.
By adjusting HDELAY values in the tweaker program, I could shift the image to the left and actually see the righthand edge.

Yesterday I've recompiled my Linux driver, using the same HDELAY value I got from the tweaker program.
Here's the result:

Very nice.

I'd still like to know what the JSC looks like, if it's better or just the same.

Special Widescreen Edition (SWE) - Pioneer Video, Inc. (USA)
-------
Special Collection (Japan)





FWIW all three of those are '2' in the pulldown cadence.
In other words, that frame of film comprise two fields of video (not 3 fields) on all three LDs

The JSC looks so much better.

I need it =/

Alright, I can get working on the torrent. I'll update when everything is ready.

Update: Everything should be ready. I don't know if I'm allowed to say where it is? I know we didn't used to, but I've seen people doing it lately.

It's the V8, and it's at Demonoid.

roger roger

ROTJ is re-posted by request. ESB tomorrow

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Darth Mallwalker said:

I've gotten roughly half way through the movie. So far, it's not very interesting



Pay no attention to the typo in D16 ;)

Did you ever finish this?

Here's my documentation (fields not included):

• Special Collection - mid-reel: -5/-2 = 7
• SWE (Pioneer USA) - mid-reel: -1/-2 = 3
• Special Collection - reel 1/2: -2/-4 = 6
• SWE (Pioneer USA) - reel 1/2: -1/-6 = 7
• Special Collection - mid-reel: -1/-2 = 3
• SWE (Pioneer USA) - mid-reel: -0/-7 = 7
• Special Collection - reel 2/3: -10/-9 = 19
• SWE (Pioneer USA) - reel 2/3: -0/-19 = 19
• Special Collection - mid-reel: -4/-1 = 5
• SWE (Pioneer USA) - mid-reel: -1/-7 = 8
• Special Collection - reel 3/4: -6/-9 = 15
• SWE (Pioneer USA) - reel 3/4: -0/-17 = 17
•     
• Special Collection - mid-reel: -7/-26 = 33
• SWE (Pioneer USA) - mid-reel: -1/-29 = 30
• Special Collection - reel 4/5: -0/-3 = 3
• SWE (Pioneer USA) - reel 4/5: -0/-3 = 3
• Special Collection - mid-reel: -2/-4 = 6
• SWE (Pioneer USA) - mid-reel: -6/-2 = 8
• Special Collection - reel 5/6: -2/-4 = 6
• SWE (Pioneer USA) - reel 5/6: -0/-3 = 3
• Special Collection - mid-reel: -7/-4 = 11
• SWE (Pioneer USA) - mid-reel: -1/-12 = 13

 

Total frames missing:

Special Collection: 114

SWE (Pioneer USA): 118

Is the Jedi Techidisc available never seen it mentioned On ebay or laserdisc database as a separate release.

It is hard to find the techidisc pressing for the other 2 as well except under the comments section on those 3 films on the LD database.

Or are they considered to be just later pressing of the SWE Trilogy under mint markings?

Even though its been pointed out that the star wars technidisc is  a different print source and telecine job.

And Empire as well going by the copy Aluminum Falcon has.

The Widescreen Jedi was supposedly of common origin before the THX releases starting in 1993 correct? All the same transfer on the VHS tape, the US release laserdisc and japan special collection.  And according to the screengrabs in this thread the tecnidisc is the same as well.

As a collector i would still like a Jedi tecnidisc Laserdisc used, if the price was reasonable on these things.  Or is it entirely random what print run you get.  How common is the mitsubishi run or the other company?

I think mine is Mitsubishi.  The only USA release i have that i can confirm is from Japan is SWE us version disc made and jacket from japan.  And the trilogy faces set from 1995.  The US pressing of the faces set having rot problems and mine has zero rot because its a japan pressing.

I've checked every copy I've come across and asked sellers on ebay. I can never find the Technidisc of SW, and have no idea how to find ESB and ROTJ other than mint markings. Would/do these also have the Fox logo on the cover instead of the CBS/Fox logo?

msycamore said:

Did you ever finish this?

Of course not!
Neither have I given up the idea of finishing it.

I did finally borrow a camera, so I can take pics of my Technidisc jackets . . .

Darth Mallwalker said:

Of course not!
Neither have I given up the idea of finishing it.

I guess I asked an completely unnecessary question then. :)

skyjedi2005 said:

Even though its been pointed out that the star wars technidisc is a different print source and telecine job.

And Empire as well going by the copy Aluminum Falcon has.

If you refer to his Mitsubishi pressing of ESB, it's not yet been pointed out to be a different print source or telecine, a comparison needs to be done first.

msycamore said:

Darth Mallwalker said:

Did you ever finish this?

Yes, on usenet. At binsearch type "Mallwalker's thingamajig"
should find both old and new versions.

Be sure to ask questions!
It's all about the 2's and 3's
Here it is in a nutshell:

Typical telecine pattern
...:2:3:2:3:2:3:2:3:2:3:2:3:2:3:2:3:2:3...
where
:2: means that film frame comprise two video fields in the stream
:3: means that film frame comprise three fields (one field is repeated)

In the spreadsheet, in the CLV columns:
telecine :3: are written in three parts, for example 01:02:03
telecine :2: are written as two parts, either 01:02 or 01\02
[The second form denotes bottom\top of adjacent video frames.]
[Technidisc uses drop-frame timecode, indicated by semicolons in the spreadsheet.]

In the CAV columns:
telecine :3: are shown as three-digit numbers e.g. 123
while :2: are the ones which could be written as two parts.
For example 11222 in North America we'd write in two parts,
separated by a comma 11,222 while our EU friends might write 11.222
Those cells which could be written in two parts are telecine :2:

As soon as the STAR WARS title card appears in frame 688,
it becomes obvious that DC & Technidisc are not the same telecine.
Because DC's title card is a :3: while Technidisc is :2:

Both SWE's are quite similar in their pulldown pattern, and their missing frames.

Hope to add a PSB column soon :)