Moth3r said:

Laserman once offered to send me the X0 capture of the JSC  - under the condition that I claimed it was my own capture, so the rest of the X0 team wouldn't find out. 

??... Why do such a thing?

Looks like I picked a bad time to want to rewatch Star Wars =/

My letterbox VHS auction got sniped at the last minute, and now my "tons of these for dirt cheap" have all dried up. Since I've already got the V8 for EpIV, and Adywan's EpV reconstruction isn't too shabby...I'm not sure I want to pay a minimum of $15-20 just for EpVI =(

Asaki said:

Looks like I picked a bad time to want to rewatch Star Wars =/

My letterbox VHS auction got sniped at the last minute, and now my "tons of these for dirt cheap" have all dried up. Since I've already got the V8 for EpIV, and Adywan's EpV reconstruction isn't too shabby...I'm not sure I want to pay a minimum of $15-20 just for EpVI =(

Which VHS letterbox set were you looking at?

The 1992 (NTSC) one.

Asaki said:

The 1992 (NTSC) one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1992-Star-Wars-Original-Trilogy-VHS-Letterbox-Boxed-set-/220735896028?pt=VHS&hash=item3364e279dc

I found this one above....it's the Hologram box set....4 days left on it.

:)

The only early VHS set I have is the 1984-86 set, but I believe it's full screen.  I've got the Faces VHS Collectors Widescreen Box.

The one you're searching for, is it the VHS companion to the DC? 

Jetrell Fo said:

the VHS companion to the DC?

Not trying to speak for Asaki, but I'll WAGer 'VHS companion to the SWE' is what he's after.
Before the dark times... Before the THX certification...

Jetrell Fo said:

I found this one above....it's the Hologram box set....4 days left on it.

 Yeah, there are a few still up, but I was much more willing to pay the < $10 prices that they'd been going for up until a few days ago...

So I guess I either need to be more patient, or pull a Dr. Georgelove, or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the GOUT.

Jetrell Fo said:

The one you're searching for, is it the VHS companion to the DC? 

 Not that I'm aware of, it's pre-THX. I've read some who say that this VHS set, the Fox Special Widescreen LaserDiscs, and the Japanese Special Collection are all from the same master, but I've also read that they're not...so...Idunno.

If it works it's definitely worth a try.  Isn't that how the WorkPrinter scans 16mm reels, take a shot, advance one frame, take another?

I had considered that, but I figured it would be too much work for anyone to actually bother.

althor1138 said:

Hi Guys.  I've been an avid reader of this forum since about 2007 I guess.  This is my first post because it's maybe the first time I've had an idea that might be worth posting.  I'm sure some of you guys know this already but I haven't seen it mentioned in arnie's or dark_jedi's JSC threads. 

I have a cld-hf9g and the JSC trilogy which I've been trying to capture and encode but I have run into the same problem as everyone else.  The IVTC is very hard to get right. 

I've noticed however that the frame counter on the laserdisc player is displaying frames at 24 fps/sec.  I did a little reading around and found this page.  According to this if you use freeze frame on a cav disc it will ignore the pulldown flags and display the frames progressively at 24fps, albeit one by one.  It seems like a colossal undertaking to capture the whole movie frame by frame but maybe it's the best way?  Maybe with a laserdisc player that accepts rs-232 commands it would be possible to write a script to increment the frames and take snapshots of them. 

I could be mistaken about all of this so if it's garbage someone feel free to let me know. 

The manual IVTC is a bitch, but I personally would MUCH rather do that then grab each frame individually, screw that, if you have the patience to do that, more power to you and good luck, I have already manually IVTC'd the entire Trilogy and have all the Japanese subtitles gone, so now I can do with it whatever I want.

again, good luck on your project.

althor1138 said:

I did a little reading around and found this page.

The clips I posted here & here were produced using exactly the method you've described.
CAV discs, player in still mode, with RS-232 commands telling when to step.

Yes an entire side could be done that way if automated, but I can tell you from experience it turned out not to be the panacea it first seemed.
Here's some hints why:

ld12.txt said:

CAV discs with incorrect white
flags are relatively common.
[...]
It is possible to make a CAV disc that can
properly freeze every original 24 fps source frame. Unfortunately, some
producers don't bother,
[...]
The edit sheet
that needs to be filled out can be very complicated and time consuming.

The flags are as (in)accurate as the human who assigned them.
All humans make mistakes, sometimes more that others.

Want to see a real-life example of a bad white flag?
Pull out your JSC ANH, cue up side 2, and freeze on frame 17087
Tell the others what you see...

althor1138 said:

This set is so screwed up but to my eyes it looks a lot better than the DC or Faces when it is in motion.  If anyone finds a bulletproof way to IVTC this thing automatically please let me know :).

You are absolutely right this set is SCREWED up, but a lot of people seem to really like it, me not so much, and the ONLY sure fire way to IVTC this is to do it manually, I have tried a ton of auto IVTC filters and NONE will do it all correctly, some come close, but not close enough.

Asaki said:

Jetrell Fo said:

I found this one above....it's the Hologram box set....4 days left on it.

Yeah, there are a few still up, but I was much more willing to pay the < $10 prices that they'd been going for up until a few days ago...

So I guess I either need to be more patient, or pull a Dr. Georgelove, or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the GOUT.

Jetrell Fo said:

The one you're searching for, is it the VHS companion to the DC?

Not that I'm aware of, it's pre-THX. I've read some who say that this VHS set, the Fox Special Widescreen LaserDiscs, and the Japanese Special Collection are all from the same master, but I've also read that they're not...so...Idunno.

I think the "hologram" VHS set, even though it's not THX and is a different transfer as the DC is still sort of considered the "companion" to the DC LD set due to the fact that they were released the same year, and both had the George Lucas book included (the VHS book being the abridged version).

althor1138 said:

This set is so screwed up but to my eyes it looks a lot better than the DC or Faces when it is in motion.

After seeing it for myself (EpIV at least), I agree 100%. All my life, I always thought it was just that blurry because it was such an old movie :| I have a much easier time ignoring the occasional black dots and the random glue bits (which wouldn't be that hard to edit out if anyone really wanted to).

I'm really curious to see how the other two movies look pre-THX, since everyone agrees that the first movie got the worst of it.

Molly said:

If it works it's definitely worth a try.  Isn't that how the WorkPrinter scans 16mm reels, take a shot, advance one frame, take another?

Yes, at about 6 frames per second. It would be the understatement of the century to say that doing that by hand would take take a lot of patience.

The Aluminum Falcon said:

...Asaki, have you checked out Moth3r's PAL laserdisc preservation?

 Yes, I've checked out the Reinventing the Wheel set before. It was nice before the GOUT came out, but as Lee recently pointed out, the PAL releases are very, very soft looking.

The Aluminum Falcon said:

Also, more non-DVNR releases of the original unaltered trilogy include the Star Wars widescreen bootleg that Moth3r found, the widescreen Catnap bootleg, the Puggo Grande, the Stjarnornas Krig, or any of the old Star Wars VHS releases (though these were in full screen).

 Most of those are only the first movie, for which I already have Arnie.d's excellent V8. I just wish he could've gotten the rest of the trilogy out there before moving on to the vaporware X9 project (though those captures from it did look very impressive...almost more detailed than the GOUT).

Going to check out Harmy's EpVI reconstruction soon though, hopefully that will tide me over for the time being.

The Aluminum Falcon said:

Darth Mallwalker, are you planning to make a preservation from your smear-free ANH laserdisc? I'm just curious.

I am curious to, he seems to think he found the Holy Grail, so let's hope he gives us a quality release better than any other LD preservation of this title.

I just won the VHS set the other day, it probably won't get here for another week or two.

One thing I will say, though...I've got the VCR going composite video into an HDTV and I'm very surprised at the quality. I guess I was expecting it to look more like a nth generation 1970 televised concert bootleg VCD...or like Comcast's SD offerings... ¬_¬ *cough cough*

From what I understand, ESB and RotJ are also sourced from the JSC...but as I said, I'm no expert on these matters...apparently someone somewhere in the massive X0 thread says that the JSC and the SWE are different masters, but I really do not have the patience to dig through 80+ pages just to find out.

As far as I know, the DC is post-THX/Lowrey/etc. But I could be wrong, I didn't get to put too much research into it.