Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
Originally posted by: lordjedi
You're forgetting that Leviticus law doesn't apply to Christians. Christ himself condemned homosexuality.
Christ's sacrifice did away with all that. The only thing that still applies is the 10 commandments.
WRONG! And I would LOVE to hear your Bible-based citation for each of these statements.
Christ never addressed the issue of homosexuality. Paul does in a couple of epistles (Romans specifically comes to mind), but Christ never addressed the issue. Not once. Citing his name on an issue for which we have NO reference is nothing short of blasphemy.
But Christ did SPECIFICALLY say that he was NOT here to abolish Talmudic law. According to Matthew 5:17-19, which specifically and clearly addresses this issue, Christ said: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Pretty condemning statement for all of us who shave, wear poly-cotton shirts, and eat pork.
There is NO distinction made that Christians may adhere to the 10 commandments and not the rest of Talmudic law. We're all a bunch of law breakers, but have chosen to interpret and follow what we want based on the promise of forgiveness for a righteous heart over slavishly following law without really meaning it. It is faith in action, not action alone that saves us.
And in your own quote he specifically states "commandments", not laws. If it were true that we are still under Levitical law, then how was it that Christ himself ate without washing in some circumstances? Certainly the Son of God was not above the law anymore than we are. Yet, the Pharisees, in at least one instance, asked Christ why he was not washing before eating. His response? "You remember the what, but not the why". The what is that they're suppose to wash. The why is not because it was sinful to eat before washing, but that they were dirty (in a literal sense).
Christ did not have to specifically state that we were free of the law. When the curtain tore at the time of his death, that was God telling us all that the barrier between him and us had been removed through the perfect sacrifice. Therefore, we are no longer bound by Levitical law.
There are plenty of instances where Jesus specifically references the commandments and expands upon them. Adultery and anger. He tells a man "If you lust in your heart, you've already committed adultery". He tells another man "If you have anger toward your bother in your heart, you've already broken the commandment (love they neighbor)".
It may have been Paul, but I'm pretty sure Paul would've known the law and what Christ wanted more than either of us. If Paul spoke out against it, then you can bet your ass that it's still something we're not suppose to do. Take Genesis for adding further weight to it "Go forth and multiply". How do two gay men multiply? They cannot. A man and a woman shall leave their parents and join together. How does that even allow for a gay couple? It doesn't. There are plenty of references in the Bible.
In fact, I found the references to it. Yes, I was wrong, it wasn't Christ and for that I apologize. However, since Paul is one of the original Apostles, we can accept that he was speaking on Christ's behalf. In 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, homosexuality is specifically stated. The other items that are listed would all fall under the 10 commandments as well. Verse 12-20 go even further. Homosexuality is considered defiling ones body. Read the verses for yourself.
To state that gay people are free to continue being gay and claim to be Christians is blasphemy.